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you're in the pair cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so think about ladies and gentlemen this

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week the last space shuttle ever has

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gone aloft it's up there as you hear

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this show and people are now setting up

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petitions to restore the space program

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what's your feeling about this Chris

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well I'm really disappointed that I

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think when Barack Obama was on the

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campaign trail back in 2007 you know he

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was making all the right noises in terms

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of manned space flight getting us back

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on track in space and here we are I've

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just you know another promise down the

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tubes it's a change we can like lament

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over I guess it's really unfortunate

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that our man presence in space is

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starting to go the way to dinosaurs and

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I think we're in a a retro active period

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here in you know in terms of spaceflight

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there's some question even NASA

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surviving all these budget crisis sees

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that were were in and that would really

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be unfortunate I don't think the private

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sector has the money and you know I

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think the proper motivation to get us

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you know trend you know transition us

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from a governmental space program to a

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private industry space program I I don't

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see any real impetus to to do that so

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I'm saddened by by the whole thing Jean

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well I'll tell you something here let's

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forget for the moment who occupies the

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White House I don't think anybody in

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Washington has the stomach as the spine

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the titanium spine to bring back the

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space program you know they're talking

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about we got to cut this we got to cut

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fat we got to put people out of work

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whatever whatever you think about the

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politics right or left doesn't matter

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nobody has a vision for the space

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program the last vision I heard of the

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space program was John F Kennedy saying

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we will land a man on the moon before

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1970 and he didn't do it because he

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wanted to explore space as I recall he

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did it to beat the Russians you know

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yeah we we need motivation it's

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unfortunate that we're there's some

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estimates that we're gonna be spending

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up to six trillion dollars

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overseas subjugating other countries and

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you know instituting democracy all

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around the world at the point of a gun

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and if we had even spent one third week

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on the space program just look where it

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where it could be right now we could be

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you know chugging our way in in a few

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years - to the moon possibly to mine

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helium-3 or some sort of manned mission

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to Mars somewhere I mean we need

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motivation Chris we have the technology

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in 1969 to send a man to the moon how

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come we don't have that technology in

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2011 or 2012 why do we have to wait and

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even then we're not going back to the

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moon according to the current plan we're

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going to land on an asteroid what's the

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reason for that why don't we go back to

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the moon no there's some conspiracy buff

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stuff that it might say we were warned

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away there's a movie coming out I think

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what's it called Apollo 18 where they're

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there to fictionalize a you know another

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Apollo mission that stumbles on I think

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some sort of spaceship or something on

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the moon that was there a crashed or

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something the new Transformers I think

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has a sequence where they land on the

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moon astronauts and they find this huge

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spaceship in a million and and that sort

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of thing we we got to do something I

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mean our Sun is gonna go Nova we're

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gonna get hit by an asteroid something

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calamitous will happen it's not so much

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if it'll happen it's it's when and we

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need to get out and seed the stars we

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need to get this gene pool off this rock

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spinning in space out into the cosmos

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and it doesn't look like we're gonna be

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doing it anytime soon well I'll tell you

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what I've done okay

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at the urging of mrs. Steinberg I'm

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going to link to one or more of the

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petitions out there to restore the space

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program like I said forget about the

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politics it doesn't matter liberal

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conservative middle-of-the-road

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independent whatever you are you like

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Obama you hate Obama if you like one of

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the Republican candidates you like Ron

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Paul it doesn't matter we need the space

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program think of all the stuff in our

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technology today

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that came out from the space program and

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not tang drinks by the way hey you know

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steak in a tube oh I gotta have steak in

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a tube that's one of the great

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inventions but think you know basically

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everybody now has a supercomputer in

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their pocket

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it can be an iPhone it can be an Android

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phone I think a third of the people in

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this country in America have some kind

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of smartphone containing technology and

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processor power dozens hundreds of times

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more powerful than the onboard computers

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of the Apollo spaceships we can't go

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so again but uh like you said it all

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boils down to motivation and proper

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expenditure money I think this country

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is really down the river when it comes

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to you know balancing our our purse

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strings and it's I think we're gonna

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have hell to pay if we don't we don't

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start cutting money from where it needs

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to be cut from you know ridiculously

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high defense budgets and expenditures

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have bases than 160 plus countries

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around the world I mean we need to take

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care of our own right now we need to

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really kind of tighten it up pull back a

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little bit from being the world's cop

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and start spending money where it really

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is going to do the most benefit down the

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road your point is well-taken about how

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this this effort back in the 60s really

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helped jumpstart scientific innovation

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in inventions and it's just you know we

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should probably do a whole show on this

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at some point because this is really a

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it's it's really a sad state of affairs

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Jean well I'll tell you what I have been

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talking with Don Ecker and of course he

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also explores lunar mysteries Don Ecker

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of course is the host of the dark

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matters radio show he is a moderator in

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the power cast forums he's my friend a

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longtime friend and a friend of the show

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and there are two areas that he's been

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investigating one of course is the

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situation regarding UFO researcher

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paranormal researcher Phillip and Brock

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know you know where we've already

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discovered with the help

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of one of our listeners who has

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basically come out and admitted who he

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is his name is Lance moody he's a

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skeptic but he's also somebody who is

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really trying to investigate and point

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out the flaws in our logic and in this

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case the flaw he found was that Phillip

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and Brock nose degrees don't pan out and

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Don Ecker has been investigating this

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too and he'll have an answer and some

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more information soon on his show and

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ours he'll also be coming on the Parekh

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a soon to talk about lunar mysteries so

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what you talked about earlier and what

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we touched on Chris is it possible we

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went to the moon one of those Apollo

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excursions and someone or something on

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the moon said you are not welcome here

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don't come back what about that well we

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had David Hatcher Childress on the show

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and he did bring up some other very

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interesting points some of the anomalies

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that are found on the moon and the blare

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custom it's come to mind ah bliss that

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supposedly are on the moon that have

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been photographed and I think covered up

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I think it's definitely worth a show

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there's a lot of information out there

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concerning the moon that doesn't quite

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jibe with you know the scientific

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paradigm in terms of of what the moon

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actually is why it's in the orbit it is

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how come it's so perfectly positioned

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it's almost the odds of this happening

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are pretty high now you know I'm

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happening naturally so yeah I think this

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would be a fun show I'm looking forward

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to it that would be Don Ecker coming up

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in the future but today we're gonna be

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talking about a guy who has a website

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called truth seeker at Roswell truth

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secret Roswell and he's Dennis ball

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phaser and yes he's a longtime Roswell

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researcher also researches the mysteries

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of the Great Pyramid but he's also very

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concerned about the tragic state of UFO

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research and he had editorial about that

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subject probably a year and a half or so

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ago kind of lamenting over the fact that

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you have all these gatherings you know

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what I'm talking about

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this has happened over the years Chris

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where you have this gathering you have a

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lot of serious scientific UFO

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researchers and you have a few wackos in

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there and I guess the wackos are brought

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in to maybe boost the box-office

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but is that a good way to present the

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face of the UFO field and that's

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something that concerns Dennis you know

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I think we're gonna dig into this one

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pretty deeply I was at the conference

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that I think actually inspired him to

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write his diatribe about the the state

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of the conference system in ufology and

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I think we're fasten your seat belts

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it's gonna be a bumpy ride and the guest

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is Dennis ball phaser I'm gene Steinberg

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the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

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on the power cast with gene and Chris we

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welcome back someone who has not been on

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the show for several years and that's

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Dennis ball fazer of course somebody

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who's done a lot of work into mysteries

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of the Great Pyramid also into Roswell

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but we brought you on in response to an

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editorial you did about the state of UFO

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events conventions etc about the

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presence of the woowoo element Dennis

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welcome back to the show tell us what

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are you concerned about thank you it's

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been a while I'm gonna be 70 years old

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this October I've been doing this

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professionally for the last 15 years

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been interested in the avala g4 in less

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20 25 years and I'm seeing a great

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influence of what I refer to as the

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rules card readers dramas and those kind

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up at conferences that are supposed to

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be ufo-related conferences and I think

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they probably deserve their own venue

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but I don't think they should be mixed

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in with people like Stanton Friedman

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John Green of old jr. Travis Walton and

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the likes of those serious researchers

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and people and I've got a great concern

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about that and I'm looking at whether

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this may be my last year to do the

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research or not but isn't it true Dennis

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that this has been part and parcel of

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UFO conventions for years I mean let's

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go back to the days in the 60s and 70s

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when Jim Mosley was sponsoring UFO

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events in New York City and he had a lot

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of serious people there because Jim you

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know when you get past the sardonic

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sense of humor he's very serious about

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the subject but he also had some wackos

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on there this has been true for years

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you've always had this element

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we're not saying that some of these

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paranormal claims are not relevant or

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valid we're talking about people that

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are presenting the proper face for UFO

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research this has been going on it's

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nothing new that's true but I think the

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existence of UFOs whether it's true when

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it's provable will be done by scientific

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research or serious research not by some

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card reader or some psychic or someone

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claims to have been abducted and been

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impregnated five or six times

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well it really kicked me was up at Angel

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Fire last year of his master ceremonies

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for their conference and I had people

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like Stanton and John Greene of all and

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Travis Walton some serious Syrian people

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yeah and then we consider him serious by

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the way Chris is serious sometimes

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now I had one of the things I was

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responsible to do was introduce a

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tinfoil hat contest my background of

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civil engineering had 33 years for the

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Texas Highway Department in three years

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with an Army Engineering Battalion so I

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take this very seriously and I think

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it's of such importance that it needs to

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be taken seriously and introducing a

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tinfoil hat contest didn't set well with

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me but as the master of ceremonies I was

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required to do that what I'm seeing at a

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lot of conferences and like you said I

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mean this has been going on for some

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time but the frustration that I have

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with not only that but with the politics

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here involves well between the museum

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and the city

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I just I'm tired of that and I'm gonna

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look at the end of the year and see if

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maybe this is the time to hang it up

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well let me put the onus on you then

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would it be worth someone like you

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sponsoring a UFO convention and you vet

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the people before they go on I mean this

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is an argument that we had with people

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like Steve Bassett who came on the show

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and he has these X conferences and

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myself and our former co-host we argue

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with him over the fact that yeah you've

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got some pretty serious people there but

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then you've got people who have very

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extreme positions and he basically said

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that doesn't matter

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I'm rather heated terms I think it does

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matter

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you know and like I say I think they

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deserve a venue and they may have some

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some information that is of value but I

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think to mix it in with with the series

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of researchers and promoting it as a UFO

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conference to me that that just doesn't

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suck well maybe it's just personal with

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me but that's my hang-up I agree totally

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Denison at the end of the angel for our

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conference i sat down with Janet sailor

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who pretty much put the whole thing

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together and I kind of patiently let her

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through the the idea that you know you

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can't be all things to all people if you

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have a lot of psychics and Chandler's

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and new-age types that's gonna turn off

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the you know your real serious UFO

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audience and if you have real serious

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UFO investigators and researchers

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oftentimes that turns off the New Agers

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and the woowoo types so she's trying to

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be all things to all people and I said

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look you've got it you know you gotta

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decide what you want to do and who you

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want to be here with this conference and

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she nodded and said yeah very good yeah

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you're right you know and look at the

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over the roster this year it's even more

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weighted over on to the new-age side she

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still is trying to attract the UFO crowd

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by having a few speakers addressing that

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particular topic and you're right it's

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like oil and water I think there are

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connection points but I think by and

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large it's really doing both sides of

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that equation a disservice by trying to

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mix and mingle the two yeah I agree I

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think another another hang-up I have is

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the media I really enjoy radio shows

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like the terror cast Jerry Tippin and

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some of the shows I've been on radio is

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live normally this very little editing

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takes place whereas with TV and

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documentaries I've had some bad

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experiences with some of the TV

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documentary people the National

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Geographic for one Stanton and I did

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several hours of taping with the

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National Geographic Channel several

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years ago when the air to show the last

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thing that the announcer said was at

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Roswell was a myth now it's an

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interesting though you'll sit there and

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as you say you'll spend hours recording

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something for a TV show

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Yoga 10:00

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goons on the area of fat right and who

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do they normally give the time to they

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give it to the skeptics or the debunkers

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and that's the ones that usually get

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their time unlike what most people think

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there's no reimbursement there's no

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reimbursement for the for the person who

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has spent years and money and time doing

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the research and then when it airs I've

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had a I've had to go to the extreme but

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they put a different question with my

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answer so yeah Chris had a situation

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like that where he spent a lifetime

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doing a TV show about mysteries and what

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San Luis Valley and on the TV show Chris

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it ended up being in Sedona Arizona

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right well it was a UFO Hunters episode

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on portal areas Gateway areas window

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areas however you want to define them

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and I patiently led them through my my

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theory and the formula that I used to

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identify these types of special areas

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and of course every other sentence was

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San Luis Valley because all this the

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majority of this information was was

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gathered there in Colorado 400 miles

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away from Sedona right and they switched

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everything around and made it sound like

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everything I was talking about I was

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referring to Sedona and they actually

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took parts of three sentences - - you

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know reformulate a single sentence that

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that sort of thing and you know I I just

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that's inexcusable I I really have a

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problem with that I've been very lucky

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over the years I've done geez 35 40

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probably TV segments and only twice if I

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had had you know a real major issue with

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honesty and in the editing process shall

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we say so but that was inexcusable and I

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I just you know it's not it's not right

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I think the audience should be told the

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truth I understand that these people are

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in the entertainment industry but there

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has to be a line that you don't cross

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when it comes to honesty and actually

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presenting the facts the way they were

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intended and that wasn't the case of my

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segment we'll pause here we have Chris

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O'Brien's the co-host Denis Paul phasers

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our guest this week I'm gene Steinberg

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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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relentless perplexing nightmares

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nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

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space and of a mysterious woman

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suffering in agony for her devastated

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world a woman not yet born calling

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Steinberg we're talking to Dennis ball

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phaser about I guess the tragic state of

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UFO research UFO conventions media

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coverage now to be fair you know when

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you shoot a TV show an interview you're

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going to basically shoot more footage

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than you're going to use now of course

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it's just digital recording but an

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honest editor is going to air segments

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that properly represent what the person

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has to say honestly do I mean this is

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what we did when I was doing

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broadcasting as a newscaster and I go

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around and I would record interviews

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with people or I'd record speeches and I

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try to find the comments that properly

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represented what was going on yes we

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have the sound bites and all that stuff

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the sound bite culture but you want to

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be honest about it but if you go in

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there with your particular point of view

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your agenda and you say well we're going

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to find out about the mysteries in

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Sedona and Chris is talking about

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another state a city 400 miles away

663
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we'll just change it that's pathetic

664
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correct you know most people think that

665
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we researchers get paid well for for

666
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doing those things when in fact they're

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99% free and they want all the

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information that we've gathered over the

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years to use on their program and I'm

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convinced that the the documentaries and

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the TV shows or they had two things in

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mind one is ratings of course and the

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others profit and I don't know that

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they're really concerned about factual

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information because I think that's been

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proven over and over well that's all

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news business today yeah of all the

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interviews that I've done over the years

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I would say maybe five I would consider

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creditable which is not a very high

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percentage and the total number of

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interviews I've done and that's why I

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like radio so much I like radio

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like being able to write editorials and

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I've even run into trouble with that the

686
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mufon journal would take my editorials

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and either omit some of what I wrote

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because of space they said they'd reword

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things and you know when you write

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something that's copyrighted

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understandably though an editor is going

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to change something but if it's going to

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change the meaning you're kind of like I

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would hope you go back to the writer and

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say look for space reasons for whatever

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grammar spelling I made a few changes is

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this okay and I used to do I was writing

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technology reviews

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yeah they didn't do that they just made

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the changes and when it came out in the

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journal I saw that that would have been

702
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changed be honest the UFO magazine has

703
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been as credible with my editorials as

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00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,049
anybody that has used them and I

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appreciate that you know and I

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appreciate when a reporter shows up at a

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conference and they they give actually

708
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actual information in their report

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because that's how refreshing

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I said how refreshing that would be I

711
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don't know I'm just getting old I guess

712
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and cranky but you know spending all

713
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this money and time and I lose three

714
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:43,330
four thousand dollars a year doing the

715
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research but I think it's important but

716
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I made reached a point burr I let

717
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somebody else do it okay so would it

718
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:54,370
makes sense for Dennis ball phaser to

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put on his own UFO convention get the

720
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serious people and focus and showcase

721
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that and try to get the media to see

722
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:03,850
what UFO research is all about well

723
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:05,290
living in Roswell that's not a

724
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:06,070
possibility

725
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we're here in Las well it wouldn't be a

726
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:10,419
possibility because of the control at

727
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:12,940
the UFO museum pass over the city has

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proven this year I think listeners want

729
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,980
to hear about this you think Roswell

730
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that's a tourist attraction you have an

731
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:22,030
event in Roswell it's gonna attract

732
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worldwide attention it's you know UFOs

733
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Center it's a way the problem well the

734
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:28,720
problem there said a couple years ago

735
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that museum ran it and attendance was

736
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:35,470
down income was down so the city took it

737
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:38,110
over two years ago and in fact I was on

738
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:38,830
the committee

739
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:41,350
helped organize the festival last two

740
00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:43,750
years ago and we had two festivals we

741
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:45,460
had the museum festival we had the city

742
00:31:49,529 --> 00:31:47,950
festival and and we had big crowds well

743
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:49,539
we got a new mayor last year he decided

744
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,970
to give it back to the museum so he gave

745
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:53,679
her a hundred and fifty thousand dollars

746
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,860
in lodgers tax to run the festival this

747
00:32:01,409 --> 00:31:59,440
year over the four-day period of the

748
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:01,419
festival understand that museum has

749
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,500
something like seventy five hundred

750
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:04,720
people that's not a high number

751
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,480
considering previous years so whether

752
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,279
they continue to run it or not I don't

753
00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:11,200
know but there was another group tried

754
00:32:15,779 --> 00:32:13,630
to have the conference went to the mayor

755
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,789
asked for some lodgers tax and was told

756
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:17,919
that if you compete with the museum you

757
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:20,260
don't expect any money ever in the

758
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:22,510
future so we have a political situation

759
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:24,610
here at the Museum brings in a lot of

760
00:32:29,009 --> 00:32:26,500
money for Roswell there's no doubt about

761
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,019
it and I'd be the first to admit that

762
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:31,600
it's a vitally needed facility but the

763
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:34,750
way is run and operated I really

764
00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:36,250
questioned a lot of the things they do

765
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:39,159
well okay that's the other question here

766
00:32:43,169 --> 00:32:41,500
is that mean that you can't have an

767
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:43,179
independent convention because of the

768
00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:44,950
presence of that museum and what it does

769
00:32:49,169 --> 00:32:47,260
I believe that's probably right because

770
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:49,179
it was tried this year and they were

771
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:51,610
flat told they can't do it they can't

772
00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:53,740
compete with the museum and you have

773
00:32:58,379 --> 00:32:55,649
other organizations here that are none

774
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,389
nonprofit that should be getting some of

775
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:00,159
that loggers tax and when you give a

776
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:01,750
hundred and fifty thousand dollars to

777
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:04,570
one organization I'm not sure that's

778
00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:08,169
completely fair either $150,000 is more

779
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:09,549
than enough money to put on a pretty

780
00:33:13,139 --> 00:33:11,710
good convention I mean over the years

781
00:33:15,659 --> 00:33:13,149
I've worked with people who've planned

782
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:15,669
such events and they were lucky to have

783
00:33:19,889 --> 00:33:17,980
five or ten thousand yep that's right

784
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:19,899
now I don't know that there's any

785
00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:21,340
accountability for that hundred and

786
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:23,169
fifty thousand dollars I've not heard or

787
00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:27,039
seen any accountability for it and how

788
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:29,019
it was spend I don't know she did have

789
00:33:33,419 --> 00:33:30,850
good speakers they had the same speakers

790
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:33,429
they always have stanton Don Schmitt

791
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:39,130
dumb Carrie those five people but the

792
00:33:42,539 --> 00:33:40,690
accountability I would question that

793
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:42,549
really would sounds like a lot of people

794
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:45,100
are getting aid over there there's been

795
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:46,809
a problem though between the museum and

796
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:48,750
the in the city and investigator

797
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:50,630
I know that you've been battling

798
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:56,310
submission around this subject once you

799
00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:58,530
give us a your bad way to give us a

800
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:00,810
little update and a status you're banned

801
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:04,680
from Museum yes sir there was a note put

802
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:06,330
on the greeter step several years ago

803
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:08,610
which I have a copy of saying

804
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:10,710
tennis-ball phaser is not welcome at the

805
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:13,649
UFO Museum signed by Julie Shuster the

806
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,500
director of the museum don't ask me why

807
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:19,139
because I don't know why I was missing

808
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:23,159
museums 96 to 98 as the Roswell I see in

809
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the investigator I was on the board of

810
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directors I was a 70 hour a week

811
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volunteer ten hours a day seven days a

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week free and I was told to sever my

813
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relationship and I think the reason I

814
00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:40,950
was told sever my relationship because I

815
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:42,389
didn't agree with everything they were

816
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:45,629
telling people they do not carry any

817
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:49,560
books that criticized Roswell or among

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00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:52,550
anything to do with a brothel incident

819
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:54,780
there's a hand-selected Board of

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:57,660
Directors there's been four or five

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00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:00,930
different CPAs and she took over you

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00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:02,850
either play her game or you know hit the

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00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,640
highway now you talking about CPAs are

824
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:07,920
you intimating here we have some problem

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00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:10,260
with the books over there I wouldn't

826
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,600
doubt it

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00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:14,400
they bring in a tremendous amount of

828
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,130
money they get 150 200 thousand people a

829
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,200
year come through the museum it's a big

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00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:22,320
moneymaker and I don't know that they've

831
00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:24,270
ever been audited by the IRS or the

832
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:27,120
Attorney General is this registers a

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nonprofit organization yes okay so they

834
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have to meet certain requirements that

835
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:35,280
maybe are far tighter than just any

836
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:38,700
company I would think so yeah all right

837
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:40,410
well this is something I guess we can't

838
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:43,050
prove here I have no what you know truth

839
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,400
that anything is not in order but I have

840
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:49,260
a lot of doubt because I have I was

841
00:35:56,330 --> 00:35:52,980
involved for two years from 96 to 98 and

842
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:56,340
I've been in the museum since probably

843
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2000 2001 is this considering a public

844
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place yes sir

845
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okay so you're a member of the public

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00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:05,820
don't you have a legal right to walk

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over there and say I am a member of the

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public I have not done anything to I

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won't give her the satisfaction of

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putting myself inside the museum as long

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as she's in charge of it

852
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Wendy Connors and I did a oral history

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on her dad's on the wall der halt

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several years ago we taped him put him

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on videotape for about three hours he's

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had three different affidavits that I'm

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aware of and we were told the day after

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he died that we could never release any

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of that information or discuss any

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conversations we ever had with her

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father and I want to ask you more about

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that in a moment

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Dennis ball phasers on the show a

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this is the bare cast you never know

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we are back with Dennis ball phaser the

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site is truth secret Roswell I'm gene

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00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:33,110
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

961
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:36,800
I'm the para cast and we're looking into

962
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:39,800
reasons why it's possible Dennis ball

963
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:42,940
phaser will give up UFO research okay so

964
00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:45,380
tell our listeners for those who haven't

965
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:49,100
studied all the arcane Roswell lore

966
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:50,990
who was this guy you're talking about

967
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:54,170
with a deathbed confession Walter Haught

968
00:41:57,730 --> 00:41:55,490
yes sir

969
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,740
Walter Hall was the public relations

970
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:00,560
officer at the base in 1947 work

971
00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:03,140
directly under Colonel Blanchard the

972
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:05,300
base commander and head of the 500 ninth

973
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,930
Bomb Wing and when the incident happened

974
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:10,880
Colonel Blanchard called him into the

975
00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:12,410
office and told him to write a press

976
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:12,860
release

977
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:18,140
because what it said was that we have in

978
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,030
our possession the flying saucer from a

979
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:23,210
ranch near Roswell that went out in all

980
00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:26,210
the newspapers west of Chicago the

981
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:30,140
afternoon of July 8 1947 and the next

982
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:33,140
morning papers east of Chicago carried a

983
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:34,730
story by general Ramey that it was

984
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:36,950
nothing but a weather balloon and for

985
00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:39,380
many many years Walter said all he knew

986
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:41,480
was what he wrote in that press release

987
00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:43,850
Wendy Connors and I happened to be Wendy

988
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:47,270
Connors was a historical UFO researcher

989
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:49,820
for many years from Albuquerque and her

990
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:51,740
and I were in the museum and her faults

991
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:54,070
are being interviewed by French

992
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:57,950
television crew in which he said he saw

993
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:01,220
a body Wendy and I both went outside and

994
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:03,050
said did you hear what I heard and we

995
00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:04,910
did and we decided we'd better get him

996
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:08,600
on on tape so we set up a meeting with

997
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:11,270
Julie his daughter I made up a list of

998
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:12,980
questions that we were gonna ask Walter

999
00:43:18,490 --> 00:43:16,610
that was approved by his daughter and we

1000
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:18,500
interviewed him for about three and a

1001
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:21,170
half hours on videotape and during that

1002
00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:23,060
interview he had a hard time remembering

1003
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:25,670
where he took basic training he had a

1004
00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:27,500
hard time the names he couldn't remember

1005
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:30,680
a lot of things and as it turned out a

1006
00:43:36,310 --> 00:43:34,130
few months later he signed an affidavit

1007
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:36,320
saying that he did see the bodies at the

1008
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:37,359
hangar and

1009
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:39,730
and a lot of other things and as it

1010
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,170
turned out he did not write that

1011
00:43:45,509 --> 00:43:43,119
affidavit Don Schmidt wrote the

1012
00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:45,519
affidavit and Walter just signed it

1013
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,799
no I'm saying basically here that maybe

1014
00:43:52,979 --> 00:43:50,140
Walters signed something but he wasn't

1015
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:52,989
as they say well enough to understand

1016
00:43:58,019 --> 00:43:55,660
what he signed well his memory improved

1017
00:44:00,569 --> 00:43:58,029
tremendously by the time that Schmidt

1018
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:00,579
wrote through the affidavit that he

1019
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:02,920
signed which you know I think of the

1020
00:44:08,549 --> 00:44:06,249
movie Superman Returns at the beginning

1021
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:08,559
there's a scene where of the evil Lex

1022
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:10,569
Luthor is married to this millionaire

1023
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:12,609
woman who's died by the way the woman

1024
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:14,890
was played by Nowell neo who played the

1025
00:44:20,839 --> 00:44:17,220
Superman's girlfriend Lois Lane in the

1026
00:44:23,489 --> 00:44:20,849
1950s TV series okay so anyway she dies

1027
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,499
just as she's about to sign this

1028
00:44:28,049 --> 00:44:26,079
agreement signing over all her money to

1029
00:44:30,779 --> 00:44:28,059
Lex Luthor so of course he takes his

1030
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:30,789
hand and completes the signature so it's

1031
00:44:34,769 --> 00:44:32,680
kind of like almost like that where

1032
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:34,779
you're basically implying here that

1033
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:38,440
maybe he signed something fully unaware

1034
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,660
of what it meant and what it contained I

1035
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:42,400
don't know that for a fact but it seemed

1036
00:44:46,109 --> 00:44:44,049
odd that during the interview that we

1037
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:46,119
did he couldn't remember anything and

1038
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:48,430
then he could remember everything plus

1039
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:51,249
from after he read though or after he

1040
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:53,049
read and before he signed the affidavit

1041
00:44:57,059 --> 00:44:54,970
there's been a lot of questions about

1042
00:45:01,140 --> 00:44:57,069
that affidavit he had three of them I

1043
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:01,150
think one were max littell was the the

1044
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:02,980
business man involved with the founding

1045
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:05,710
the three founders of the museum and in

1046
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:08,140
that one he had said that he did not

1047
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:09,940
know anything other than that he wrote

1048
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:12,220
the press release and that was a story

1049
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:14,470
that he shared with the public for for

1050
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,140
many years and I I knew Walter really

1051
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:19,359
well and really liked him as a person

1052
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:22,630
but I don't know about the affidavits I

1053
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:23,890
think there's been a lot of questions

1054
00:45:27,329 --> 00:45:25,480
over the years since he passed away

1055
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:27,339
about the validity of them so basically

1056
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:29,619
you feel that maybe he knew nothing more

1057
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,630
than that press release he did something

1058
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:34,480
under orders and that was it well he did

1059
00:45:41,249 --> 00:45:39,249
admit on film this trench crew that he

1060
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:41,259
had seen a body and then we talked to

1061
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:42,970
him he said he had seen the body in the

1062
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,910
hangar from about 25 30 feet away

1063
00:45:50,289 --> 00:45:47,880
partially covered with the tarp and

1064
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:50,299
reminded him of about a 12

1065
00:45:55,989 --> 00:45:53,900
child he was 2530 feet from it there

1066
00:45:57,939 --> 00:45:55,999
were some stories circulating and maybe

1067
00:45:59,650 --> 00:45:57,949
he went out to the debris field himself

1068
00:46:03,489 --> 00:45:59,660
we don't know for sure if he did that or

1069
00:46:06,339 --> 00:46:03,499
not I hate to come on and be negative

1070
00:46:08,829 --> 00:46:06,349
but you know I've got these concerns and

1071
00:46:10,959 --> 00:46:08,839
I wrote the editorial about it like I

1072
00:46:13,989 --> 00:46:10,969
said before I thoroughly enjoy radio

1073
00:46:17,739 --> 00:46:13,999
because it's one-on-one and very little

1074
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:17,749
editing done most TV newscasters when

1075
00:46:22,179 --> 00:46:19,880
they do a story on UFOs they will

1076
00:46:24,819 --> 00:46:22,189
present the information and that can't

1077
00:46:27,939 --> 00:46:24,829
leave it alone at the end of it they've

1078
00:46:30,999 --> 00:46:27,949
had to put some amusing or sarcastic

1079
00:46:33,969 --> 00:46:31,009
remark to take the validity away from it

1080
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:33,979
and that's just part of the overall

1081
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:36,249
problem that I have with this research

1082
00:46:42,249 --> 00:46:38,890
ok but going back of course to this

1083
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:42,259
particular event let's look at what we

1084
00:46:47,289 --> 00:46:45,529
have left of Roswell because pretty much

1085
00:46:50,919 --> 00:46:47,299
all the original witnesses have gone now

1086
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:50,929
right right ok so is there any more

1087
00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:52,910
story to tell how can we possibly get

1088
00:46:56,979 --> 00:46:54,380
that information unless we find a

1089
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:56,989
warehouse 13 somewhere with the bodies

1090
00:47:01,449 --> 00:46:58,729
and all the evidence of the spaceship

1091
00:47:03,549 --> 00:47:01,459
well I didn't I didn't attend anything

1092
00:47:05,319 --> 00:47:03,559
this year downtown I didn't go downtown

1093
00:47:07,089 --> 00:47:05,329
at all during the four days of the

1094
00:47:10,569 --> 00:47:07,099
festival but I understand it was a guy

1095
00:47:12,669 --> 00:47:10,579
at the Museum who is a instructor at New

1096
00:47:15,189 --> 00:47:12,679
Mexico Military Institute or junior

1097
00:47:17,859 --> 00:47:15,199
college here in Military College and

1098
00:47:21,009 --> 00:47:17,869
that he found some medal out at the

1099
00:47:22,929 --> 00:47:21,019
crash site near Corona and is having it

1100
00:47:25,509 --> 00:47:22,939
tested and he believes that it may be

1101
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:25,519
part of the craft there was an

1102
00:47:29,709 --> 00:47:27,890
archeological dig done several years ago

1103
00:47:32,979 --> 00:47:29,719
with the University of New Mexico

1104
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:32,989
archaeological team and I was out for

1105
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:36,109
the last day of that and to my knowledge

1106
00:47:41,019 --> 00:47:38,900
they got about 64 bags and material but

1107
00:47:43,809 --> 00:47:41,029
none of none of it has ever been made

1108
00:47:46,539 --> 00:47:43,819
public as far as having any any value as

1109
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:46,549
far as the crash but this latest thing

1110
00:47:52,059 --> 00:47:48,920
is I'm trying to follow I don't know the

1111
00:47:54,759 --> 00:47:52,069
guy but I'm trying to follow up on what

1112
00:47:56,979 --> 00:47:54,769
he has found the forest is metal and see

1113
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,989
what kind of testing he's doing is that

1114
00:48:02,349 --> 00:47:59,599
like the flexible metal that Jesse

1115
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,359
Marcel jr. talks about I didn't say

1116
00:48:06,289 --> 00:48:03,599
anything about it being

1117
00:48:08,359 --> 00:48:06,299
flexible or not being able to burn they

1118
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:08,369
were doing some isotopic testing on it I

1119
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:11,249
believe that Sakura to college out of

1120
00:48:17,779 --> 00:48:14,329
Socorro and they said it was not

1121
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:17,789
containing any elements really known on

1122
00:48:23,299 --> 00:48:21,089
earth and he had some more testing to do

1123
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:23,309
under the parent well one thing I

1124
00:48:27,529 --> 00:48:25,410
remember in some of my talks with your

1125
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,539
dentist is that you kind of go against

1126
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:29,339
the grain a little bit in terms of the

1127
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,609
Roswell case and that this has caused

1128
00:48:35,749 --> 00:48:34,200
some friction I think among other

1129
00:48:38,839 --> 00:48:35,759
researchers why don't you give us a

1130
00:48:41,420 --> 00:48:38,849
thumbnail sketch of of how you differ in

1131
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:41,430
your particular understanding of the

1132
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,099
case versus the you know for lack of a

1133
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:46,680
better term the company in on it because

1134
00:48:51,259 --> 00:48:48,450
I know there are some departure point

1135
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,269
sir oh I think what you're talking about

1136
00:48:56,539 --> 00:48:53,339
I've always questioned Linda and some

1137
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:56,549
mortician he claims to have been

1138
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:00,119
involved and the nurse and all that at

1139
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:03,089
the hospital none of the information

1140
00:49:05,989 --> 00:49:05,190
that Glenn has ever talked about has

1141
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:05,999
been confirmed

1142
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:08,609
the nurses have never been found he

1143
00:49:13,759 --> 00:49:11,190
claimed that she was shipped out the

1144
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:13,769
next day and to Europe and killed in a

1145
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:15,450
plane crash and there's no record of a

1146
00:49:21,529 --> 00:49:18,960
plane crash he said Schmitt and Randall

1147
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,539
on a wild goose chase for five years

1148
00:49:27,229 --> 00:49:23,579
with the wrong name and finally admitted

1149
00:49:28,729 --> 00:49:27,239
that it was a wrong name I think Glenn

1150
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,739
may have been involved because he was

1151
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:30,660
definitely the mortician that at the

1152
00:49:35,959 --> 00:49:33,930
base but I don't know what extent he was

1153
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:35,969
involved in whether it was hearsay you

1154
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:38,190
know that he heard from somebody else or

1155
00:49:43,579 --> 00:49:41,099
or what but the redheaded captain that

1156
00:49:47,209 --> 00:49:43,589
he talked about nobody has found that

1157
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:47,219
one and there's just no validity to any

1158
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:50,579
of the story that he tells James Bond

1159
00:49:55,269 --> 00:49:53,130
Johnson took the pictures in general

1160
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Raimi's office in Fort Worth I

1161
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:57,450
interviewed him before he passed away

1162
00:50:02,959 --> 00:50:01,200
and he had started to elaborate on his

1163
00:50:04,999 --> 00:50:02,969
knowledge of the event when I first

1164
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,009
talked to him the only thing he knew was

1165
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,380
that he took the pictures of Jesse

1166
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:09,900
Marcel the intelligence officer of

1167
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,839
general Ramey and Colonel DuBose when

1168
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,700
our self that the material into Roswell

1169
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:17,460
but he embellished his story

1170
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:21,180
later on in life Walters affidavit of

1171
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:24,690
course it's always been a problem and I

1172
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,310
think maybe that's some of the stuff

1173
00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:28,640
you're talking about yes oh there's the

1174
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,320
the Nernst question I think has been

1175
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:33,359
bannard about quite a bit over the past

1176
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:36,750
few years people questioning whether she

1177
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:39,990
was actually a real person or even was

1178
00:50:44,770 --> 00:50:42,089
some sort of I don't know figment of

1179
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,780
somebody's imagination I I heard that

1180
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:47,280
that part of contendere sister is just

1181
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:52,530
not not held up over time and probably

1182
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:55,230
get in trouble for saying this but you

1183
00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:56,820
not I mean you're gonna be getting in

1184
00:51:03,170 --> 00:50:58,080
trouble for just about everything you

1185
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:03,180
said so far I think they learned on this

1186
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:07,380
the barrier cast with I think maybe he

1187
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,330
had a relationship with this nurse and

1188
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:11,700
he was married at the time so I think

1189
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:13,950
maybe that has some bearing on it that

1190
00:51:20,329 --> 00:51:16,970
he's never going to admit to anything

1191
00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:20,339
that'll jeopardize he Joanna's not in

1192
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:22,560
good shape he's in a nursing home I

1193
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:25,020
think and I know he quit doing

1194
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:28,140
interviews several years ago he had a

1195
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:30,630
form of Alzheimer's and and of course

1196
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:32,099
he's getting up in years he's up in his

1197
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:35,460
80s now and one of the few remaining

1198
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:39,270
living witnesses to the event I'll tell

1199
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:40,680
you well against is so much more of this

1200
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:42,930
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1245
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1246
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:33,090
research the state of Roswell research

1247
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:36,690
so what else is there about Roswell that

1248
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:39,030
we have to question to say you know what

1249
00:53:45,350 --> 00:53:41,730
this doesn't pass muster let's set it

1250
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:45,360
aside well you know 64 years and it

1251
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:48,570
hasn't completely gone away we've been

1252
00:53:53,570 --> 00:53:51,030
given four excuses over the last 64

1253
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:53,580
years and if I live long enough I'm sure

1254
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:55,710
there'll be another one my personal

1255
00:54:00,040 --> 00:53:57,000
theory on Roswell

1256
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:00,050
is and this is only my personal theory

1257
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:03,990
whatever was recovered from the debris

1258
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:05,970
field of the corona

1259
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:08,880
64 years later I don't believe they know

1260
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:12,330
what they have by a meaning that what

1261
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:14,270
they found was pieces they didn't find

1262
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:18,540
intact crap so all those pieces have to

1263
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:21,030
be put together back engineers somehow

1264
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:23,910
so I don't I don't know but they know

1265
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:27,780
what they have where they were from what

1266
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:30,570
their motive was the propulsion system

1267
00:54:35,810 --> 00:54:32,280
the guidance system things like that

1268
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,820
until they get that information sorted

1269
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:37,920
out I don't believe all military or

1270
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:40,200
government will admit it happens or know

1271
00:54:45,050 --> 00:54:43,050
anything about it because until they get

1272
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:45,060
the military advantage out of having

1273
00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:47,190
that and there would be a definite

1274
00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:49,560
advantage I don't think they're go

1275
00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:51,030
public with anything I think they'll

1276
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:54,030
keep denying it the other problem is who

1277
00:54:58,450 --> 00:54:56,250
in our government is going to admit that

1278
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,460
they've been lying to us for 64 years

1279
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:00,720
because that's going to open up a whole

1280
00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:02,910
nother can of worms for a whole lot of

1281
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:05,820
other things unrelated to UFOs that

1282
00:55:10,339 --> 00:55:08,069
we've been lied to about

1283
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,349
and that continues to this day with the

1284
00:55:16,579 --> 00:55:13,680
current government we have it's just a

1285
00:55:18,529 --> 00:55:16,589
way of life and at lectures many time I

1286
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:18,539
asked young people to start asking

1287
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:20,670
questions and demand answers because

1288
00:55:25,339 --> 00:55:25,049
just accepting what they say doesn't cut

1289
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,349
it

1290
00:55:29,539 --> 00:55:27,599
we need more information well I'm going

1291
00:55:32,839 --> 00:55:29,549
to ask you also another thing about this

1292
00:55:35,059 --> 00:55:32,849
what about this new book out on area 51

1293
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:35,069
where it's mostly focusing on the

1294
00:55:39,319 --> 00:55:36,900
top-secret weapons and aircraft research

1295
00:55:43,729 --> 00:55:39,329
they did there from Annie Jacobson but

1296
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:43,739
there is yet another Roswell story 51

1297
00:55:48,949 --> 00:55:47,579
yeah I was up there no I don't know four

1298
00:55:51,979 --> 00:55:48,959
or five years ago I did a couple of

1299
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:51,989
lectures at Rachel's to little alien in

1300
00:55:57,979 --> 00:55:54,660
there and got to go out to both the

1301
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:57,989
gates and harass the guards a little bit

1302
00:56:03,259 --> 00:56:00,660
wife and I were diving down that 13 mile

1303
00:56:05,059 --> 00:56:03,269
dirt road and I told her I said watch

1304
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:05,069
the hills because sooner or later we're

1305
00:56:07,969 --> 00:56:07,079
going to see a Jeep or a pickup truck

1306
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:07,979
with the guards

1307
00:56:12,949 --> 00:56:09,930
and sure enough we came around a sand

1308
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:12,959
dune and got to the entrance and they

1309
00:56:17,959 --> 00:56:15,209
were sitting up there in a sand dune

1310
00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:17,969
that the pickup truck with binoculars on

1311
00:56:22,819 --> 00:56:19,469
us and listening to what we were saying

1312
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,829
it is the biggest one of the biggest if

1313
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:24,900
not the biggest base we have it's the

1314
00:56:29,779 --> 00:56:28,140
most secretive base we have and I had

1315
00:56:33,529 --> 00:56:29,789
read a lot of books and seen a lot of

1316
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:33,539
documentaries from area 51 and I can

1317
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:35,369
assure you that standing there at the

1318
00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:35,729
gate

1319
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,339
with two guards sitting in a pickup but

1320
00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:40,920
binocular Sonya is a difference a lot

1321
00:56:45,289 --> 00:56:42,900
different than reading a book or seeing

1322
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:45,299
a documentary he brings it all pretty

1323
00:56:50,539 --> 00:56:48,209
well to life and then we went to the

1324
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:50,549
other gate which is a double drop-down

1325
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:53,640
gate and has a guard shack there that's

1326
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,190
visible the one that the 13 mile road

1327
00:57:01,579 --> 00:56:58,319
doesn't have a guard shack it's quarter

1328
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:01,589
mile past there if you get to it you're

1329
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:03,209
in trouble because you're already on the

1330
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,339
property but area 51 to me is a catch-22

1331
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:10,680
it's a vitally needed facility to do all

1332
00:57:16,489 --> 00:57:12,660
our technology for a new aircraft and

1333
00:57:19,219 --> 00:57:16,499
different types of research but if any

1334
00:57:21,259 --> 00:57:19,229
of the rumors about aliens or UFO crash

1335
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:21,269
being housed there I think I'd like to

1336
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:21,910
know that

1337
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:24,550
maybe not for myself but for my kids or

1338
00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:26,470
grandkids Snell what your future is and

1339
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:28,660
I don't know that that's ever gonna be

1340
00:57:34,050 --> 00:57:30,310
made public what do you think of this

1341
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:34,060
Annie Jacobson's assertion that Oswell

1342
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:37,350
was a secret soviet psyops program

1343
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:39,690
designed by josef mengele

1344
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she has some factual information about

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area 51 she has a lot of wrong

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information about Roswell and I'm not

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right to vote but I've seen it critiqued

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and some of the comments that have been

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made about it I think she's totally out

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faced with as far as Roswell goes do you

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00:58:02,700 --> 00:57:58,960
think she threw that in there just to

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sell books possibly possibly reminds me

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how Adi snatches in the desert the book

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that Nick Redfern came out with a few

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years ago yeah yeah yeah well you know

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there's 2,000 over 2,000 web sites on

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Roswell

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and probably 95% of the people who have

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those web sites have never been here

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they're never interviewed of witness

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they don't know where the crash sites

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are it's second and third-hand research

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and and I spent a whole lot of time on

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the Internet

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putting out fires for people that put

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out focus information Virgilia

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I think he's his name and Tony Anthony

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Birbiglia he put out some stuff about

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the foster ranch that was totally wrong

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I had talked to the BLM people here and

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that ranch crash site it's BLM property

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and they had done an environmental

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impact study several years ago and I

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went out to get a copy of it and in that

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report it said to be careful because

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it's known to have aliens out there and

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this was signed off by about nine people

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at the BLM Bureau land management office

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well I've got my attention and I said

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where did this information come from

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well that's a joke that's not supposed

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to be in there it won't be in the final

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copy I said good I want a copy of the

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final copy sure enough they called me

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when they revised it and I got a copy of

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it and read it and most of the mundane

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stuff was taken out of it but there was

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a note in there that they will not

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permit any direct drilling or any

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building on possible

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that site which to me is a step in the

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right direction because you have a

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federal agency that is protecting that

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property in a way meaning that there may

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be a good possibility that's validity to

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it so what I was fairly happy with how

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that turned out yes but just prohibiting

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drilling and whatever that doesn't prove

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what really happened does it no but

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they're protecting it they're not going

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to allow any drilling direct drilling

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okay so the other question is would be

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environmental concerns I mean we're

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going to look at the devil's advocate

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questions here no they did that and they

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did stayed in there because it was the

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alleged site of the 1947 crash and they

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used the word roll edge which I can buy

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because that's what we have is an

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alleged incident and I'm not the type

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researcher that goes and bangs his fist

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on the distances by god this is what

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happened because I don't know that all

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we know is what we've been told over the

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last 64 years a lot of it is wrong a lot

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of it we believe is true and I've

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interviewed 100 hundred and fifty first

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and second hand witnesses in that time

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and they had no reason to make up the

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story about what took place they have no

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reason they didn't know each other when

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it happened to you talking ranches out

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here that are 10-15 miles apart

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the only time you see each other's when

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they're doing cattle or sheep and they

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have no reason to make this story up now

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what about just remembering things and

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then having that memory colored clouded

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by cultural events you know we all think

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about aliens and greys and they remember

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maybe distantly this newspaper headline

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and maybe their memories have filled in

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a few details that weren't there I don't

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buy the memory loss thing that's that's

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an Air Force excuse you're talking to

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rancher who knew with weather balloons

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were he recovered him and that a tag on

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him where to turn him in so he'd get a

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reward and was a small financial reward

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we

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the rancher was a lot of money back in

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1947 so he knew what weather balloons

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were and the stuff that he found he

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wasn't aware of what it was and that's

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why he came to town to the sheriff the

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sheriff didn't know what it was

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contacted the military and Jesse Marcel

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the intelligence officer got involved so

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I don't buy the memory loss thing these

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people were credible people and you have

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the sheriff of Chaplin's County as a

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rancher you have Walter Haught who was

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is questionable but he was there he

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wrote the press release yeah colonel

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DuBose you have all these people that

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have been interviewed over the years who

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are credible people yeah the other

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question I guess we'd ask is all right

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with Roswell we have this event that

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happened then we have the cover story on

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all this stuff but maybe there are other

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possible non extraterrestrial solutions

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and we'll ask about that in a moment

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Dennis Paul phaser is joining us Chris

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O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene Steinberg

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to Dennis ball phaser we're seeking the

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truth about Roswell okay so what about

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some kind of secret experiment that went

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bad and obviously because of security

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concerns national security whatever they

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didn't tell the people over at the

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military base and Roswell well the event

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happened sixty-four years ago and things

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were a lot different then than they are

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today

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we just come out of the Second World War

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there was a lot of up here in the

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country I think the key is that the

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people back then trust it and respected

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the government the story died three days

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01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,750
after it happened after general Ramey

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came out and said it was a weather

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balloon less than 12 hours after alder

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Hall that said we had captured and had

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in our possession flying saucer the

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01:08:29,010 --> 01:08:27,549
public bought that and they could have

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01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:29,020
brought that craft down the middle of

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01:08:32,729 --> 01:08:31,029
Main Street in Roswell down to the base

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and nobody would have given it a second

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01:08:37,229 --> 01:08:35,350
thought because almost daily we had

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plane crashes out here in the desert and

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they would load them on a lowboy and

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01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,299
trailer and take him downtown and nobody

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01:08:46,769 --> 01:08:45,520
thought anything about it so it wasn't

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anything that would get anybody's

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01:08:50,999 --> 01:08:48,910
attention and the people trusted and

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respected the government that's not true

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today if you look at the poll so they're

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taking about our congressman and my

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president and things like that those

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numbers are pretty low in fact one of

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the polls I've seen the Roper poll where

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67 percent believed that the government

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01:09:09,209 --> 01:09:07,839
is covering up UFOs and 70 percent think

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they know more about it than they're

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01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:11,020
letting us know those are higher

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percentages and politicians get elected

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by and I think it's time that the people

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in Washington the military and they're

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not talking all military I have a lot of

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:21,910
respect for the military having been in

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01:09:26,669 --> 01:09:24,370
myself but there are a few in our

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:26,679
military and some higher-ups in

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01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:28,810
Washington that are keeping the truth

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01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:31,000
from those from not just UFOs but other

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01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:33,429
things as well you know I have a an

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01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:36,250
interesting story that is breaking from

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01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:39,310
the open minds of folks here in the

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01:09:42,420 --> 01:09:40,089
Phoenix area

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01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:42,430
Alejandro Roja

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:45,420
released a store yesterday with quite a

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01:09:50,579 --> 01:09:48,130
sensational headline it says test

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:50,589
confirms Roswell debris is not from

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01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:52,930
Earth are you aware of this casting

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01:09:57,690 --> 01:09:54,910
process that has been underway with

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01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:57,700
Frank Imbler who is a teacher at the New

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01:10:04,590 --> 01:09:59,170
Mexico Military Institute there in

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:04,600
Roswell and his his yeah yeah he's come

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01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:08,410
out with a new new release with quite a

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01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:10,000
bit of scientific information in here

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01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:12,450
it's an interesting article that does

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:14,620
suggest that perhaps it's some of the

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:16,050
debris that they were able to gather

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01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:19,090
does test out as being something unusual

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01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:23,320
similar to some tests that I think Peter

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01:10:29,010 --> 01:10:26,620
Sturrock did on a supposed metal sample

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:29,020
I think from Brazil so have you seen

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01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:31,570
this this I saw they are I mean

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01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:33,670
yesterday I saw the article yesterday on

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01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,070
the Internet and if you go recently that

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01:10:41,010 --> 01:10:38,800
I think there's a note somewhere Bohr

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01:10:44,459 --> 01:10:41,020
the professor or somebody at the

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01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:44,469
University refused to test do isotopic

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:47,170
testing and then he went and talked to

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01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:49,090
someone else and I don't know if they

1643
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,160
did any testing or not but they felt

1644
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:53,400
smothers a different type of metal and

1645
01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:56,710
it didn't say anything about being

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01:10:59,820 --> 01:10:59,110
flexible or but you could bend this or

1647
01:11:03,209 --> 01:10:59,830
anything like that

1648
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:03,219
but that's gonna be interesting to watch

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01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:05,110
to see and I have always thought that

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01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:06,940
their property is still metal at the

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01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:09,700
crash site even though it was vacuumed

1652
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:11,500
pretty well by the military when it

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01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,320
happened more than one time they were

1654
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:17,440
out there to clean it up but we have a

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01:11:22,110 --> 01:11:20,260
lot of voids here in New Mexico and you

1656
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:22,120
have varmints and different animals of

1657
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:24,790
big holes and some of that stuff could

1658
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:27,100
have gone down in there when they did

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01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,290
the architectural dig a couple years ago

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01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:31,600
they crossed the what looked like the

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:33,790
path that this thing took when it hit

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01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,489
the ground and went down about two or

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:38,080
three feet and there was a definite

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:40,330
difference in the strata of the earth

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:45,250
there the soil which over a period of 50

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01:11:51,090 --> 01:11:48,130
60 years that the the wind we have and

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01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:51,100
the dust and sand storms would probably

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01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:53,140
cover up whatever was there and I

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01:11:57,090 --> 01:11:55,150
believe he found this stuff in

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01:11:59,340 --> 01:11:57,100
but he called an anthill or something

1671
01:12:01,530 --> 01:11:59,350
like that right some of the debris was

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01:12:04,050 --> 01:12:01,540
actually surprisingly close to the

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01:12:06,990 --> 01:12:04,060
surface if the interesting to follow was

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01:12:09,419 --> 01:12:07,000
anybody what he comes up with yeah Chris

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01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,429
you are a load of related questions from

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01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:10,960
our listeners you want to cover a few of

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01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:14,140
them okay I will the first one comes

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:16,150
from one of our moderators who tends to

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01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:18,010
be on The Skeptical side of things and

1680
01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:22,000
Angie Angelo is a it's quite a thinker

1681
01:12:25,890 --> 01:12:23,860
he asked good questions and his question

1682
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:25,900
for you dennis is have you ever lied

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01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:31,960
about your credentials he says I asked

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01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:35,290
it's only half seriously okay that we

1685
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:36,640
just needed to get that one out of the

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01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:41,380
way people that have and when I say

1687
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:43,420
civil engineering background I don't say

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01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:46,150
I'm a civil engineer of a civil

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01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:48,790
engineering technician I did I did

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01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,170
quality control and quality assurance

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01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:52,719
and materials that we use to build

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01:12:58,290 --> 01:12:54,820
highways and bridges I went to Korea in

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01:13:00,750 --> 01:12:58,300
1971 to inspect structural steel for a

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01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:00,760
bridge over Lake Austin and I went to

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:04,780
South Africa three times in 91 and 92 to

1696
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:06,850
inspect steel for a bridge over the

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01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:10,030
Houston Ship Channel so I'm careful in

1698
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,400
that I don't say I was a civil engineer

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01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:15,120
I say I worked in civil engineering

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01:13:20,910 --> 01:13:18,670
right but some people do have I think

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01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:20,920
some egoic problems in the field and

1702
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:23,860
they tend to feel the need for some

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01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:26,230
reason to embellish their credentials or

1704
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:27,820
their educational background of course

1705
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:29,489
we are going through a bit of a

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01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:32,110
controversy now we're quite a well-known

1707
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:34,330
I've heard stanton trick-or-treatin

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01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:36,280
referred to as dr. Friedman and he

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01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:38,590
corrects them real quick because he's

1710
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:40,000
got a bachelor's and a master's in

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01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:41,890
physics you know I kind of wondered

1712
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:43,540
though you know one of the things here I

1713
01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:45,010
guess if people are concerned about is

1714
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:47,260
why don't we question people who claim

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01:13:51,149 --> 01:13:48,760
to have advanced degrees would you have

1716
01:13:53,550 --> 01:13:51,159
to think about it millions and millions

1717
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:53,560
of people have bachelor's degrees

1718
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,840
master's degrees quite a few have

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01:13:59,640 --> 01:13:57,520
doctorates it doesn't guarantee that

1720
01:14:02,220 --> 01:13:59,650
you're smart it guarantees that you

1721
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,230
passed the test right that may be one of

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01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:03,760
the reasons why people don't question it

1723
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:05,770
they say well she says he hasn't a great

1724
01:14:08,490 --> 01:14:08,110
big deal yeah a lot of them with masters

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01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:08,500
have no

1726
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:11,950
commonsense they don't give degrees for

1727
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:13,000
that and that's kind of something you

1728
01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:15,100
have to have a great start telling you

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:21,580
what I think I guess you think I love

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01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:25,090
you guys because you really deal and get

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01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:27,640
in in deep with some of this stuff but

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01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:30,760
and again I apologize if I'm coming

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:33,460
across wrong but you know I got through

1734
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:35,290
some really deep feelings about some of

1735
01:14:38,430 --> 01:14:37,090
this stuff well we want you to say what

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01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:38,440
you're gonna say let it all hang out I

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01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:39,940
mean we've had a lot of areas here

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:42,940
that's where sure if we're going to get

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01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:45,130
to the bottom of these mysteries we have

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01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:46,750
to let it all hang out you know like

1741
01:14:50,010 --> 01:14:48,670
you're talking about Roswell and a lot

1742
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:50,020
of people say well you know at Roswell

1743
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:53,530
is done that been there all that we

1744
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:55,690
shouldn't talk about it but the same

1745
01:15:00,840 --> 01:14:57,850
rumors the same incorrect information

1746
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:00,850
gets repeated year after year and if you

1747
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:03,070
don't bring it back and try to do a bit

1748
01:15:08,010 --> 01:15:05,500
of a reality check it's just going to go

1749
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:08,020
on and go on and with all those websites

1750
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,910
it gets worse once a rumor gets out

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:12,400
there yeah once a rumor cigarettes

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01:15:16,260 --> 01:15:14,770
gene you've you had me on before you

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01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:16,270
know who I am and Chris you and I had

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01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:18,220
done conferences together so we know

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01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:20,530
each other well and I think you know to

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01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:22,870
me I have that code on my website always

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always telling the truth and he's never

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01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:26,590
having to remember anything and I've

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01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,280
tried to live with that remember

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:35,440
anything anymore anyway that you know

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:38,170
I'm too old for this I'm really as old

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as the hills sprats tiger says I was

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here before the dinosaurs ruled the

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earth we're talking to Dennis ball

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is nuclear physicist elector Stanton

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listener questions front and center on

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the power cast with Gene and Chris

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tennis-ball phasers a guest we have some

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more questions I know from our forums at

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forum dr. Perik a stop calm Chris yeah

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me Angelo goes on to you know again he

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is he is rather skeptical a very

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grounded guy and this second question

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other than the kind of semi humorous

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first question is about Roswell he says

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I find the project mogul explanation to

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be plausible and satisfactory why would

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anyone not that's kind of a softball

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question for you Dennis but well you

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want to handle it they should have

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probably stayed with the Mogul story

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because people were starting to believe

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that and then they came out with this

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asinine report that it was

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antropomorphic crash test dummies and a

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mogul balloon that was used to check the

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Russians and see if they were doing

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nuclear testing not on the ladder the

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Russians didn't do any nuclear test

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until 1949 two years after the incident

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on the answer put morphic crash test

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dummies they weren't useful 1953 six

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years after the incident happened as for

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the mobile balloon most critics and

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debunkers talk about flight number four

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01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:36,770
flight number four was canceled because

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of weather and then it was canceled that

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meant that the balloon was filled with

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helium and had to be released but all

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the equipment was taken off of it when

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the pictures were taken in general

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Rainey's office there is not one piece

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of equipment laying there it's a piece

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of weather balloon and one of the things

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I discovered on that one of those

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pictures with General aney internal

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Devoe's if you look closely

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at the picture and I don't look for

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pretty faces when I look at a picture if

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you look closely at that picture back

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against the wall by the chair is an

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unopened package which is probably some

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of the debris that Jesse Marcel major

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Marcel brought to Fort Worth from

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Rossville secondly the brown paper

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laying on the floor that the weather

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balloon is laying on it's off of a new

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roll of paper there are no creases in it

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meaning that if anything was wrapped in

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it that would have been wrinkles in the

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paper it's looks like butchers paper

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it's probably yard wide it's brown paper

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but that is also a brand new roll so the

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whole picture was a staged picture what

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Marcel took to Fort Worth was not shown

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in the picture none of the equipment

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from a mogul balloon the son of Belize

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radar or anything or in the picture so

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where was that stuff when the pictures

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were taken if it was a mogul balloon but

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the main thing that David rhew deaq has

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done a lot of research on it's the fact

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that that flight number four was

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canceled we have the records from nearly

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all if not all of the mogul balloon

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flights launched from Alamogordo white

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sands and Roswell that balloon would

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have taken over a month to get to the

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crash site and it wasn't anywhere close

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no good good answer on that how about

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Ron regards work on the actually sussy

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now the writing on the memo in rain

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where his hand are you familiar with

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that work yeah the memo is properly

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we're kissing a teletype probably that I

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wrote is from Washington to rainy or

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this from reymita to Washington but he

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was definitely not aware that the

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writing the print on that piece of paper

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was facing the camera and David Brody AG

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again and several others but David

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mainly has done some research on that

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they've enhanced the picture and and

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where you can basically read what's on

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there and the words victims of the

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Rick's are very clear there's about

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seven lines of type writing David's

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still working on that and I think as we

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get better equipment we'll get to be

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able to look more closely at what's

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written there

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it's vague it takes some imagination but

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the work victims is only six words in

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the English language that have those

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letters victims violin virgin and three

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others victims it's the only one that

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01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:33,270
really fits with that and some mentioned

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about a weather balloon cover story so

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that may be a smoking gun if we can ever

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get better

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analysis of the the actual document okay

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I have another question from Angelo if

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you needed to convince someone that UFOs

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are not something that humans have

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01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:51,060
created which case would you put forth

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keep in mind so far nothing I've seen

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01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,710
has convinced me that UFOs or anything

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01:25:00,500 --> 01:24:58,320
but misidentified human aircraft or a

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natural phenomenon and also please keep

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in mind that despite my scouts the

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01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:04,290
skepticism I'm from the Carl Sagan type

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of school in case you're wondering I am

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open-minded

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I just don't jump to the conclusion of

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aliens or other paranormal explanations

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and before you answer that I want to

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mention these these so-called fireball

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01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:18,630
videos that have been shown here over

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the past week I think one was from

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Mexico the other was from somewhere down

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south and I'm telling you people I mean

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all you have to do is look at that thing

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and see that it's an airliner or some

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sort of four engine jet a two engine jet

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possibly headed away from you to the

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west into the Setting Sun to me it's

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just so ridiculously obvious that these

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are high flying planes that are just at

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an oblique angle to the ISO so what what

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do you need to convince somebody that

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UFOs are not something that we've

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created well which case would you put

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forth that's a good question 90 to 95

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percent of what people see are

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explainable

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their airplanes their balloons their

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clouds their planets

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things like that many of them may innate

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however the other 5% it's what we're

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interested in but with the Hubble

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telescope and with what we know about

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the universe which is very little I

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cannot be egotistical enough to think

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that we're the only thing in this

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universe I I have nothing I can give you

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01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:27,660
to prove what I'm saying but I'm a

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Christian which makes

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01:26:33,859 --> 01:26:32,459
surprises a lot of people and I think if

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you believe that God created everything

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that's the end of the story that's

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everything

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and it doesn't say anything in the Bible

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that were the only thing he created so I

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go with that as far as my Christianity

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but I just cannot make myself believe

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that we if we're the only thing God

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created I think he screwed up because he

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could have done a lot better than what

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he's done with us humans we're the only

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species on the planet that can't get

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along with each other whether it be by

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race or boundaries or nationalities or

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whatever and a lot of times I'm asked

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why don't these aliens communicate

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business and my responses why would they

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want to we have nothing to offer them I

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don't go out in the backyard and talk to

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insects and if they can get here

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01:27:21,469 --> 01:27:18,989
from wherever they're from they have

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technology and knowledge that we can't

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even comprehend I think it's been going

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on for hundreds maybe thousands of years

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I know I've seen and have written

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articles about the tapestries and

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artwork from the 13th and 14th century

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where the artists depict what appears to

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be UFOs in their artwork so this is not

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01:27:43,969 --> 01:27:42,119
something new it's not just Roswell it's

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been around for much longer than

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Boleslaw and I think they may be

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watching us to see that we don't

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self-destruct or as far as Roswell we

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did the attempt we tested the atomic

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bomb 100 miles south of Roswell they may

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have been sitting out there and

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01:28:03,709 --> 01:28:00,989
wondering what are these clowns up to we

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don't want this stuff out here so you

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know I just can't make myself I can't

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convince myself that way the only thing

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there is well I think if anything human

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beings are are detrimental to this

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wonderful biodiversity that we have on

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this planet and possibly the the

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visitors are more interested in the

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planet in the biodiversity than they are

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in us because we're the single most

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detrimental thing to that biodiversity

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right

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in 1277 AD the Vatican I guess at the

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behest of Thomas Aquinas met a group of

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scholars and they came up with the many

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world's edict which stated very early on

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that there was no real limit to the

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creative power of of God if you will or

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the Creator and that all possibilities

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01:28:58,180 --> 01:28:55,550
fell within that creative process now

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01:28:59,979 --> 01:28:58,190
not many people know this but it's

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01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:59,989
almost like the at least the Roman

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01:29:05,379 --> 01:29:02,480
Catholic Church was preparing itself and

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its congregation for the possibility of

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discovering other life forms out there

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01:29:12,430 --> 01:29:10,880
and of course at that point we pretty

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01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:12,440
much thought the world was flat we

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01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,050
didn't know about the new world so it

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01:29:20,169 --> 01:29:17,840
seems like some of the religious you

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01:29:21,850 --> 01:29:20,179
brought up your your Christian faith and

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01:29:24,069 --> 01:29:21,860
it seems like there has been some

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01:29:27,069 --> 01:29:24,079
movement down through the ages to

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01:29:30,669 --> 01:29:27,079
prepare you know the great unwashed

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01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,679
masses for something akin to discovery

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01:29:34,569 --> 01:29:32,719
and other intelligent life so let me

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01:29:36,549 --> 01:29:34,579
prepare the unwashed masses for this

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guest is Dennis ball fazer

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and next week neighbors you hear from

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the one and the only Don Ecker I'm gene

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[Music]

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we're back with Dennis ball phaser the

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truth seeker at Roswell the co-host is

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01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,139
Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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in the power cast Chris you were

2209
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continuing that discussion well I just

2210
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:26,530
wanted to point out that there have been

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a creative thinkers down through the

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ages that have looked at the possibility

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01:34:36,419 --> 01:34:33,760
of discovering intelligent life and how

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01:34:39,149 --> 01:34:36,429
that would impact people's religious

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faith and Thomas Aquinas of course was

2216
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:41,830
responsible for bringing the

2217
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,190
Aristotelian logical sort of scientific

2218
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:48,400
worldview into the Roman Catholic Church

2219
01:34:54,419 --> 01:34:52,690
and I think that the churches and belief

2220
01:34:56,580 --> 01:34:54,429
I think are gonna play a very important

2221
01:35:01,620 --> 01:34:56,590
part in any sort of disclosure process

2222
01:35:04,109 --> 01:35:01,630
if when something as pipedream ish as

2223
01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:04,119
that takes place but I'm gonna continue

2224
01:35:08,669 --> 01:35:05,880
now with another question from Angelo

2225
01:35:10,410 --> 01:35:08,679
it's one it hang on a minute I'm glad

2226
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,420
you brought up the Vatican because most

2227
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:12,400
people don't realize the Vatican has the

2228
01:35:18,810 --> 01:35:14,770
largest UFO library in the world they

2229
01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:18,820
also have three gigantic telescopes one

2230
01:35:23,339 --> 01:35:20,830
in Arizona one at the Vatican and

2231
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:23,349
another when human minds are pretty

2232
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:26,560
limited and you know of the Vatican then

2233
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:28,030
came out here a couple years ago one of

2234
01:35:33,629 --> 01:35:30,130
the Monsignor saying that he definitely

2235
01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:33,639
believes that life does exist out there

2236
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:36,190
somewhere and most scientists when they

2237
01:35:42,109 --> 01:35:38,670
talk about life in the universe they say

2238
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:42,119
it doesn't exist as life as we know it

2239
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:44,650
someone tell me where in the rulebook

2240
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does it have to be life as we knew it

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01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:48,820
they may crawl on their stomach and

2242
01:35:53,970 --> 01:35:52,239
brief our pure gas at all I know but

2243
01:35:57,290 --> 01:35:53,980
again I think we're limited by human

2244
01:35:59,729 --> 01:35:57,300
mind the knowledge that we have we don't

2245
01:36:02,339 --> 01:35:59,739
basically accept anything that were not

2246
01:36:04,589 --> 01:36:02,349
familiar with and we need verification

2247
01:36:07,740 --> 01:36:04,599
on anything we do and that's where

2248
01:36:09,540 --> 01:36:07,750
science comes in but to say that you

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know life as we know it I think that's

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limiting it

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01:36:15,810 --> 01:36:13,440
I agree well I agree totally on that

2252
01:36:17,190 --> 01:36:15,820
again I think that it's going to come

2253
01:36:21,930 --> 01:36:17,200
from a grass

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01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:21,940
it's a swelling of interest and in

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demanding answers from government I

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01:36:32,190 --> 01:36:27,580
think that just to look at the potential

2257
01:36:34,050 --> 01:36:32,200
disclosure process that I think all

2258
01:36:36,030 --> 01:36:34,060
these countries around the world that

2259
01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:36,040
are slowly releasing UFO documents are

2260
01:36:40,860 --> 01:36:38,470
doing so to take the heat off the u.s.

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01:36:43,290 --> 01:36:40,870
because I think private industry

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01:36:45,870 --> 01:36:43,300
aerospace obviously the Department of

2263
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:45,880
Defense is sitting on some information I

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don't think they know the answers

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01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:49,390
personally I seriously doubt I think

2266
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:51,370
they're more confused than we are

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01:36:57,330 --> 01:36:55,330
because they know more any sort nothing

2268
01:36:59,850 --> 01:36:57,340
for me it has a lot to do with that I

2269
01:37:01,890 --> 01:36:59,860
think we we give so many countries

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01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:01,900
financial assistance that they come up

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01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:04,510
with something on UFOs we can put a

2272
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:06,850
clamp on them and say look you know we

2273
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don't need to give you money anymore if

2274
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you go public with something I think I

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think we have a control over what is

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01:37:18,420 --> 01:37:15,850
released and I think that that's pretty

2277
01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:18,430
pretty big yeah they're not releasing

2278
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:20,860
the good stuff I I would assume I think

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01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:22,930
that there is though a controlled

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01:37:28,170 --> 01:37:25,510
release going on like I said my personal

2281
01:37:30,750 --> 01:37:28,180
hunch is that it's being done to take

2282
01:37:33,450 --> 01:37:30,760
the heat off the u.s. but again I think

2283
01:37:36,300 --> 01:37:33,460
disclosure is a pipe dream I've always

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said this I think that even if they did

2285
01:37:40,290 --> 01:37:38,950
disclose you know you know upfront

2286
01:37:43,170 --> 01:37:40,300
manner how would you believe them

2287
01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:43,180
they've been lying for 60 40 years I

2288
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:45,640
mean how do you believe a virtual liar I

2289
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:48,190
mean it's virtually impossible so it's

2290
01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:50,260
like looking at the work of a of an

2291
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:51,910
investigator who embellishes his

2292
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,130
credentials it calls all his work into

2293
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:55,840
question there may be some wonderful

2294
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,090
things in there but you're gonna have to

2295
01:38:01,740 --> 01:38:00,400
take it with a block of salt so the same

2296
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:01,750
goes for the government and in

2297
01:38:04,380 --> 01:38:02,380
disclosure

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01:38:06,430 --> 01:38:04,390
besides why I believe the government

2299
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:06,440
anyway nobody believes the government I

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[Laughter]

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do want to mention and I did nothing but

2302
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:13,450
complain about documentaries and things

2303
01:38:17,250 --> 01:38:15,730
like that a while ago but the History

2304
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:17,260
Channel contacted me and they're going

2305
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:18,910
to be here August 3rd to do some filming

2306
01:38:25,170 --> 01:38:21,490
and I'm gonna give it another shot

2307
01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:25,180
they got a show coming up I don't know

2308
01:38:30,060 --> 01:38:28,120
when and layer but they've asked to do

2309
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:30,070
an interview with me and I have a

2310
01:38:33,569 --> 01:38:31,030
lecture coming up

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01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:33,579
in Kansas City Missouri the end of

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:37,119
August 27th August for myself I'm going

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to be the keynote speaker understand and

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grant cameran Debbie Zico Mara or

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01:38:45,390 --> 01:38:42,760
Campbell

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Margie K and Chuck Zukowski are going to

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be on the same venue and that's at the

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unity temple in the class in Kansas City

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01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,610
Missouri on August 27th so you're still

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in the saddle though you're still out

2321
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there doing the hard work and slogging

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away that's that's that's good you're

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not totally just disenchanted my

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webmaster my wife had been asking me for

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years to write a book and I probably

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could take all my tutorials I've got

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from 60 editorials I've written that

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have been going out I mean that's a

2329
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little magazine and 31 websites

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I could probably combine them and make a

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book out of it I just never have that

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Iranian well if you do I do know of a

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great print-on-demand publishing company

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right here in Arizona and they'll even

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fulfill the orders for you you don't

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have to carry stock so we can discuss

2337
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,119
that offline but I'm glad you're

2338
01:39:38,459 --> 01:39:35,920
optimistic you know I kind of think that

2339
01:39:40,890 --> 01:39:38,469
a lot of us have felt from one time or

2340
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:40,900
another to give this thing all up but I

2341
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,280
think the other question before Kris

2342
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,840
goes back to our listener questions is

2343
01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:46,000
all right we're looking at UFOs as a

2344
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:49,630
singular phenomenon but by excluding

2345
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:52,719
other kinds of presentations at these

2346
01:39:57,919 --> 01:39:55,690
events these conventions whatever are we

2347
01:40:01,589 --> 01:39:57,929
also saying that there can be no

2348
01:40:04,740 --> 01:40:01,599
connection between UFOs and so-called

2349
01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:04,750
other paranormal events I don't believe

2350
01:40:09,959 --> 01:40:06,670
that a card reader is going to have any

2351
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:09,969
bearing on whether UFOs exist or not I

2352
01:40:19,529 --> 01:40:14,860
don't think I just can't I can't get

2353
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:19,539
into it there's no scientific backing

2354
01:40:29,069 --> 01:40:25,570
for it Thomas card readers psychics so

2355
01:40:31,919 --> 01:40:29,079
the channel is so the channel is don't

2356
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:31,929
have a leg to stand on they can't get

2357
01:40:36,899 --> 01:40:33,610
some ascended master to give us all the

2358
01:40:39,569 --> 01:40:36,909
secrets of the universe and uh yeah I'm

2359
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,579
not saying that I'm not saying that

2360
01:40:44,010 --> 01:40:41,920
they're not valid that they don't have

2361
01:40:47,550 --> 01:40:44,020
some purpose

2362
01:40:50,610 --> 01:40:47,560
but I just personally cannot put them on

2363
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:50,620
the same venue with the Stanton

2364
01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:52,210
Friedman's the John Green of old

2365
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:54,100
Junior's have Travis Waltons and things

2366
01:41:01,470 --> 01:40:55,930
like that it's just it's a personal

2367
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:01,480
thing what about us all abductions two

2368
01:41:06,270 --> 01:41:04,060
of them that I put a lot of confidence

2369
01:41:08,820 --> 01:41:06,280
of course is Travis I met him several

2370
01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:08,830
times and then convinced that Travis

2371
01:41:12,690 --> 01:41:11,350
Walton experienced something Betty and

2372
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:12,700
Barney Hill I know

2373
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:17,410
Kathleen the niece of Betty Hill or

2374
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:18,130
Santino

2375
01:41:24,150 --> 01:41:21,670
I think that was a ballot case there but

2376
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:24,160
those properly or two of the only ones

2377
01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:26,530
that I'm familiar with that I put a lot

2378
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:28,600
of confidence in I think some of these

2379
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:30,370
people are experiencing something I

2380
01:41:35,490 --> 01:41:31,870
don't know that they're dreaming or if

2381
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:35,500
they're hallucinating but those two

2382
01:41:40,650 --> 01:41:38,230
particularly Travis I've had many many

2383
01:41:42,270 --> 01:41:40,660
conversations with Travis Walton and you

2384
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:42,280
can just look at that man's face and

2385
01:41:47,790 --> 01:41:44,950
know that he experienced something I

2386
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:47,800
can't say that he had an abduction I

2387
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:50,170
don't know that but he's passed a

2388
01:41:55,050 --> 01:41:52,090
lie-detector test and he's just the type

2389
01:41:57,570 --> 01:41:55,060
person that to me is believable you know

2390
01:41:59,550 --> 01:41:57,580
well here's a question of the last one

2391
01:42:01,800 --> 01:41:59,560
from Angelo when again one of our

2392
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:01,810
skeptics and it's a question I get all

2393
01:42:06,180 --> 01:42:04,030
the time and so I'm gonna ask it of you

2394
01:42:09,330 --> 01:42:06,190
a question that I like to hear asked of

2395
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:09,340
every UFO researcher is so many cameras

2396
01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:12,010
so few good images why are there no good

2397
01:42:17,490 --> 01:42:15,580
daytime UFO videos or photos my guess in

2398
01:42:19,500 --> 01:42:17,500
the day things are less likely to be

2399
01:42:22,530 --> 01:42:19,510
misidentified which i think accounts for

2400
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:22,540
the vast majority of UFO reports what

2401
01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:23,890
are your thoughts on this Dennis why

2402
01:42:28,710 --> 01:42:25,960
don't we have more good quality images

2403
01:42:30,420 --> 01:42:28,720
we do have some but how come with all

2404
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:30,430
these camcorders out there with all

2405
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:34,090
these video capable phones why don't we

2406
01:42:41,220 --> 01:42:37,210
have more visual evidence from daytime

2407
01:42:43,530 --> 01:42:41,230
that's a great question you know a lot

2408
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:43,540
of times you get a picture or you get a

2409
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:45,850
video and it's blurry it's not a clear

2410
01:42:52,140 --> 01:42:49,030
shot many times there's no reference to

2411
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:52,150
anything as far as scale size I don't

2412
01:42:56,279 --> 01:42:53,590
know that I can answer the question

2413
01:42:59,790 --> 01:42:56,289
because I think it's a valid question

2414
01:43:03,390 --> 01:42:59,800
the Chicago thing at O'Hare Airport was

2415
01:43:05,299 --> 01:43:03,400
one that I was interested in where this

2416
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:05,309
thing appeared over the O'Hare Airport

2417
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,800
and then shot up and punched a hole in

2418
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:11,199
the cloud and stone it was a lot of

2419
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:13,690
people shut up over that and told not to

2420
01:43:19,709 --> 01:43:15,610
talk about it

2421
01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:19,719
the Phoenix lights years ago were

2422
01:43:26,129 --> 01:43:21,780
hundreds maybe thousands of people

2423
01:43:28,140 --> 01:43:26,139
videotaped something I'm afraid I don't

2424
01:43:32,029 --> 01:43:28,150
know I don't have an answer for why

2425
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:32,039
there's not a good image taken somewhere

2426
01:43:37,020 --> 01:43:34,449
hopefully this will change and we'll get

2427
01:43:38,279 --> 01:43:37,030
some incredible footage from somebody's

2428
01:43:39,029 --> 01:43:38,289
cell phone here in the not-too-distant

2429
01:43:41,930 --> 01:43:39,039
future

2430
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:41,940
cell phone footage is very difficult to

2431
01:43:49,890 --> 01:43:45,730
fabricate and and so I'm looking forward

2432
01:43:53,220 --> 01:43:49,900
to the day when we do have a scenario

2433
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:53,230
where our ability to capture data

2434
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,110
visually overwhelms the mystery I think

2435
01:44:02,279 --> 01:43:59,679
that what's their computer program to

2436
01:44:05,580 --> 01:44:02,289
that can connect things and make almost

2437
01:44:08,009 --> 01:44:05,590
anything out of it I came to call the

2438
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,019
name of it but you know you get a really

2439
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:11,440
look at photographs Bruce Maccabee does

2440
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,710
a lot of good work on photographs and

2441
01:44:20,839 --> 01:44:17,679
analysis Oh Ben there was a guy in

2442
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:20,849
Arizona I knew one time that did some

2443
01:44:28,109 --> 01:44:24,639
but we just don't have a good clear

2444
01:44:29,879 --> 01:44:28,119
photograph of anything well games more

2445
01:44:32,430 --> 01:44:29,889
of those sessions began tomorrow those

2446
01:44:34,890 --> 01:44:32,440
discussions in a moment Dennis Paul

2447
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,900
Feig's are joining us Chris O'Brien's

2448
01:44:38,430 --> 01:44:35,679
the co-host

2449
01:44:41,660 --> 01:44:38,440
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the para

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2451
01:44:49,470 --> 01:44:47,440
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the final hour of the power cast with

2474
01:46:04,779 --> 01:46:01,110
Gina and Chris talking to Dennis ball

2475
01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:04,789
phaser Dennis where's your website

2476
01:46:16,459 --> 01:46:13,590
www.truthfortheworld.org Rallo calm

2477
01:46:19,580 --> 01:46:16,469
truth secret Roswell calm if you click

2478
01:46:23,029 --> 01:46:19,590
on Dennis ball phasors name over the

2479
01:46:26,270 --> 01:46:23,039
power cast calm you go there magically

2480
01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:26,280
we beam you up by the way you guys are

2481
01:46:30,799 --> 01:46:28,409
doing a really good job when pronouncing

2482
01:46:32,810 --> 01:46:30,809
Paulo fazer okay good

2483
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:32,820
it's important to get the guest name

2484
01:46:40,429 --> 01:46:37,320
right forty-nine years in radio well I

2485
01:46:42,379 --> 01:46:40,439
had to carry card well we have a bunch

2486
01:46:43,969 --> 01:46:42,389
of question terror assemble of which

2487
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:43,979
you've already answered is a question

2488
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:47,010
about Annie Jacobson's new book about

2489
01:46:54,259 --> 01:46:51,209
area 51 there's some there's a question

2490
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,269
about black projects possibly being

2491
01:46:59,569 --> 01:46:57,119
misidentified as UFOs I I've always said

2492
01:47:01,850 --> 01:46:59,579
that if I was driving in the desert back

2493
01:47:03,949 --> 01:47:01,860
in 1980 and a stealth fighter flew over

2494
01:47:07,459 --> 01:47:03,959
and I had my CD player on I couldn't

2495
01:47:09,469 --> 01:47:07,469
hear the jet engines I I would have

2496
01:47:11,779 --> 01:47:09,479
reported the UFO because they they just

2497
01:47:14,179 --> 01:47:11,789
were very spooky looking they still are

2498
01:47:16,009 --> 01:47:14,189
today spooky looking but imagine not

2499
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,019
being aware of their existence and how

2500
01:47:19,339 --> 01:47:18,239
one fly over you how many sightings do

2501
01:47:22,009 --> 01:47:19,349
you think could be attributed to

2502
01:47:23,419 --> 01:47:22,019
potential black project type clouds oh I

2503
01:47:25,159 --> 01:47:23,429
think there's a lot particularly in the

2504
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:25,169
western United States as white sands

2505
01:47:30,949 --> 01:47:29,010
area 51 Edwards Air Force Base we have a

2506
01:47:34,549 --> 01:47:30,959
lot of room out here to play you know

2507
01:47:37,100 --> 01:47:34,559
we've seen f-16 and f-18s flying down

2508
01:47:39,709 --> 01:47:37,110
the deck out here in the desert and

2509
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:39,719
there's just a whole lot of room to do

2510
01:47:45,169 --> 01:47:41,489
what they want to do out here was this

2511
01:47:48,679 --> 01:47:45,179
anything new and you know the the beam

2512
01:47:51,799 --> 01:47:48,689
to bomber the the aleph 117 stealth

2513
01:47:53,959 --> 01:47:51,809
which is no longer in service at certain

2514
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:53,969
angles those things look almost exactly

2515
01:48:00,290 --> 01:47:57,570
like a UFO so misinterpreting what is

2516
01:48:02,989 --> 01:48:00,300
being seen goes back to the 90% that is

2517
01:48:05,899 --> 01:48:02,999
explainable and I think a lot of what

2518
01:48:07,899 --> 01:48:05,909
people see is misidentified and I think

2519
01:48:09,850 --> 01:48:07,909
it's probably our own stuff most of it

2520
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:09,860
you know I would definitely agree with

2521
01:48:16,209 --> 01:48:12,530
my experience in Colorado right next to

2522
01:48:19,509 --> 01:48:16,219
a low flight military training area or a

2523
01:48:20,679 --> 01:48:19,519
low altitude training area there are who

2524
01:48:23,890 --> 01:48:20,689
knows what we have in the pipeline

2525
01:48:25,899 --> 01:48:23,900
that's you know 10 15 even possibly 20

2526
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:25,909
years away from being disclosed publicly

2527
01:48:31,089 --> 01:48:28,130
that raises the other question about

2528
01:48:34,899 --> 01:48:31,099
Roswell Chris and Dennis and that is if

2529
01:48:36,429 --> 01:48:34,909
we recovered an alien aircraft in 1947

2530
01:48:38,919 --> 01:48:36,439
and granted we didn't have the

2531
01:48:40,779 --> 01:48:38,929
technology then to maybe understand what

2532
01:48:43,629 --> 01:48:40,789
a civilization hundreds of thousands of

2533
01:48:46,779 --> 01:48:43,639
years ahead of us might do are there any

2534
01:48:48,939 --> 01:48:46,789
examples of that alien technology

2535
01:48:51,459 --> 01:48:48,949
anywhere and I guess we can set aside

2536
01:48:54,370 --> 01:48:51,469
Philip Corso or should we set aside full

2537
01:48:57,819 --> 01:48:54,380
of course oh I knew Philip Corso I met

2538
01:48:59,679 --> 01:48:57,829
him here Ross rolled three times really

2539
01:49:04,359 --> 01:48:59,689
liked the guy as a person little bitty

2540
01:49:06,939 --> 01:49:04,369
guy heck of a personality I read the

2541
01:49:07,839 --> 01:49:06,949
book day after Roswell and you couldn't

2542
01:49:10,839 --> 01:49:07,849
couldn't put it down

2543
01:49:12,189 --> 01:49:10,849
I went page after page after page but

2544
01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:12,199
when you get to the back of the book

2545
01:49:19,089 --> 01:49:15,320
there is not one reference now bill

2546
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:19,099
burns and UFO magazine wrote part of the

2547
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:22,729
book we don't know how much you know we

2548
01:49:29,919 --> 01:49:26,239
do they'll bill had some some ideas that

2549
01:49:31,989 --> 01:49:29,929
to me made a lot of sense but the fact

2550
01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:31,999
that he had no references bothered me

2551
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:35,030
and again I'm going back to confirmation

2552
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:39,050
and validity of this information so he

2553
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:42,800
mentioned microchips as being coming

2554
01:49:49,029 --> 01:49:44,650
from the Roswell craft one of the things

2555
01:49:51,489 --> 01:49:49,039
lasers microchips night vision things

2556
01:49:54,429 --> 01:49:51,499
like that well we know who microchips

2557
01:49:56,409 --> 01:49:54,439
were invented by a guy at Texas Texas

2558
01:49:59,979 --> 01:49:56,419
Instruments he got the Nobel Peace Prize

2559
01:50:02,409 --> 01:49:59,989
for it so I questioned that but the way

2560
01:50:05,319 --> 01:50:02,419
Corso explained it was that he gave that

2561
01:50:06,609 --> 01:50:05,329
information to industries and they

2562
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:06,619
didn't know where it came from

2563
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:09,679
we were we were already working on night

2564
01:50:14,169 --> 01:50:11,449
vision because we had captured night

2565
01:50:16,509 --> 01:50:14,179
vision from the Germans he'll read night

2566
01:50:18,959 --> 01:50:16,519
vision and then all of a sudden we had

2567
01:50:22,029 --> 01:50:18,969
this green night vision was used today

2568
01:50:24,370 --> 01:50:22,039
so I have a lot of questions of

2569
01:50:26,290 --> 01:50:24,380
Corsos information and whether he wrote

2570
01:50:26,770 --> 01:50:26,300
it or whether bill birnes Road I don't

2571
01:50:31,299 --> 01:50:26,780
know

2572
01:50:33,850 --> 01:50:31,309
but there's a way to find out Dennis

2573
01:50:36,279 --> 01:50:33,860
well if you go to the open minds website

2574
01:50:39,850 --> 01:50:36,289
they have made available the original

2575
01:50:43,660 --> 01:50:39,860
Corso manuscript that I guess bill burns

2576
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:43,670
and took and put his stamp a creative

2577
01:50:49,180 --> 01:50:45,530
stamp on it and there are quite a bit of

2578
01:50:51,879 --> 01:50:49,190
differences between the two I've done a

2579
01:50:54,069 --> 01:50:51,889
little bit of digging on the I know the

2580
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:54,079
Corso story and found that he was not

2581
01:50:59,620 --> 01:50:56,320
happy with the embellishments that were

2582
01:51:03,129 --> 01:50:59,630
they were put into the final published

2583
01:51:04,569 --> 01:51:03,139
version of the after Roswell so if

2584
01:51:07,959 --> 01:51:04,579
you're interested in looking and

2585
01:51:11,169 --> 01:51:07,969
comparing versions open minds has made

2586
01:51:14,859 --> 01:51:11,179
available the Corso original manuscript

2587
01:51:18,879 --> 01:51:14,869
another thing that you're involved with

2588
01:51:20,049 --> 01:51:18,889
is your work in Egyptology and the great

2589
01:51:23,950 --> 01:51:20,059
pyramids and we have a number of

2590
01:51:26,140 --> 01:51:23,960
questions that talk about your

2591
01:51:28,540 --> 01:51:26,150
involvement in that type of research do

2592
01:51:31,330 --> 01:51:28,550
you want to give us a an overview of how

2593
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:31,340
you got involved in investigating these

2594
01:51:38,049 --> 01:51:34,880
these incredible structures and john de

2595
01:51:40,830 --> 01:51:38,059
pablo is a head of the advisory board of

2596
01:51:43,450 --> 01:51:40,840
the Great Pyramids of Giza and

2597
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,460
apparently he had been on Jeff Francis

2598
01:51:49,810 --> 01:51:46,000
radio show sighting from the radio and

2599
01:51:53,649 --> 01:51:49,820
was talking about this and somehow ETS

2600
01:51:55,390 --> 01:51:53,659
came up connected to pyramids and I

2601
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:55,400
think Jeff's recommended you get a hold

2602
01:51:58,750 --> 01:51:57,050
of me and he did and he said that he

2603
01:52:02,200 --> 01:51:58,760
would like for me to join the advisory

2604
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:02,210
board this was several years ago they

2605
01:52:08,339 --> 01:52:05,210
consist of about 30 different gentlemen

2606
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:08,349
from around the world from Italy France

2607
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:09,860
Ukraine

2608
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,119
most of my age up each ecologist and

2609
01:52:19,029 --> 01:52:16,159
physicists and and high educated people

2610
01:52:23,229 --> 01:52:19,039
and then they stuck this old UFO

2611
01:52:25,330 --> 01:52:23,239
research around there also and I can't

2612
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:25,340
rule out the possibility of an et

2613
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:28,880
connection somehow because I'm convinced

2614
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:30,710
that the three Pyramids of Giza and I'm

2615
01:52:34,839 --> 01:52:32,690
not talking about the other 80 or 90

2616
01:52:35,740 --> 01:52:34,849
pyramids in Egypt but the three in Giza

2617
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:35,750
the big three

2618
01:52:41,260 --> 01:52:39,260
and the Sphinx I'm convinced or much

2619
01:52:43,810 --> 01:52:41,270
older than the Egyptian civilization

2620
01:52:46,210 --> 01:52:43,820
why are you convinced to that well

2621
01:52:48,670 --> 01:52:46,220
primarily because of the Sphinx and the

2622
01:52:51,130 --> 01:52:48,680
deterioration on the back of it the

2623
01:52:54,220 --> 01:52:51,140
Sphinx was covered in sand up to its

2624
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:54,230
neck until the 1800s so nobody even knew

2625
01:52:58,690 --> 01:52:55,730
there was a body in the bottom of that

2626
01:53:01,950 --> 01:52:58,700
Sphinx and one of us uncovered it was

2627
01:53:05,140 --> 01:53:01,960
discovered that there's water damage

2628
01:53:07,060 --> 01:53:05,150
erosion on the back not caused by wind

2629
01:53:08,740 --> 01:53:07,070
and sand there hadn't been that amount

2630
01:53:11,230 --> 01:53:08,750
of water in that part of the world for

2631
01:53:14,380 --> 01:53:11,240
ten or fifteen thousand years which

2632
01:53:17,140 --> 01:53:14,390
predates Egyptian civilization another

2633
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:17,150
researcher that I know found evidence of

2634
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:19,670
salt water pretty far up on the inside

2635
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:22,400
of the pyramid indicating that there was

2636
01:53:29,260 --> 01:53:23,930
a tremendous amount of water there at

2637
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:29,270
one time one of our researchers Steven

2638
01:53:35,020 --> 01:53:31,970
Mueller has done some research and

2639
01:53:37,690 --> 01:53:35,030
talked to an individual in Egypt who has

2640
01:53:39,970 --> 01:53:37,700
the history of different civilizations

2641
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:39,980
that had lived there and he talks about

2642
01:53:47,950 --> 01:53:42,770
an organization or civilization known as

2643
01:53:50,710 --> 01:53:47,960
commissions KH en iti am who lived in

2644
01:53:53,940 --> 01:53:50,720
North Africa about ten thousand years

2645
01:53:57,390 --> 01:53:53,950
ago they were black civilization

2646
01:54:00,240 --> 01:53:57,400
primarily controlled by females and

2647
01:54:03,610 --> 01:54:00,250
supposedly had contact with star people

2648
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:03,620
now I'm not saying that et's built the

2649
01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:05,450
pyramids but I am saying that the

2650
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:08,450
technology could have come from from

2651
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:11,090
there the theory is that the jet

2652
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:13,250
colleges use on how the pyramids were

2653
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:16,730
built they talk about a ramp to take the

2654
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,650
stones up to we're talking four hundred

2655
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:20,960
and fifty feet in the air stones away

2656
01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:23,210
anywhere from two to seventeen tons each

2657
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:26,450
I I did some calculations on that and I

2658
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:28,460
wrote an editorial it's on my website in

2659
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:32,210
the editorial section that rant would

2660
01:54:38,110 --> 01:54:35,210
have to be a minimum of thirteen hundred

2661
01:54:39,820 --> 01:54:38,120
feet long and every list that it went up

2662
01:54:42,250 --> 01:54:39,830
it would have to be widened at the

2663
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:42,260
bottom in order to carry the load to get

2664
01:54:47,980 --> 01:54:45,260
up there would be more material in the

2665
01:54:49,509 --> 01:54:47,990
ramp than there is in the pyramid and I

2666
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don't know where they would have got the

2667
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to make the rollers for the carry

2668
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pulling the stones up on top the other

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method of building it is talking about

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going around the pyramid and the spiral

2671
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to get to the top in any case we're

2672
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talking very very large stones and

2673
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mostly get taller just say that it took

2674
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20 or 30 thousand people 20 or 30 years

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to build and I'll tell you well we can't

2676
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get 20,000 people these days to do

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anything for 20 or 30 minutes but that's

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these days getting two people to agree

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on something is a difficult we have

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02:00:32,110 --> 02:00:30,170
Dennis Paul phaser the co-host is Chris

2770
02:00:34,990 --> 02:00:32,120
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

2771
02:00:37,390 --> 02:00:35,000
power cast so the theory is Dennis that

2772
02:00:39,550 --> 02:00:37,400
twenty or thirty thousand people got

2773
02:00:42,460 --> 02:00:39,560
together for twenty or thirty years to

2774
02:00:45,250 --> 02:00:42,470
build the Great Pyramid now you're

2775
02:00:47,710 --> 02:00:45,260
talking two and a half million stones at

2776
02:00:50,110 --> 02:00:47,720
that rate they would have to set the

2777
02:00:52,810 --> 02:00:50,120
stone every 90 seconds and that meant

2778
02:00:54,700 --> 02:00:52,820
quarrying the stone miles away from

2779
02:00:56,770 --> 02:00:54,710
where the pyramids are shaping them

2780
02:00:58,660 --> 02:00:56,780
loading him on a barge bringing them up

2781
02:01:01,750 --> 02:00:58,670
the Nile River transporting him across

2782
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:01,760
to the side of the pyramids it's a

2783
02:01:06,460 --> 02:01:04,370
mathematical impossibility the other

2784
02:01:08,890 --> 02:01:06,470
theory that I've heard about was that

2785
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:08,900
they filled up each lift with water and

2786
02:01:13,450 --> 02:01:10,970
filled it and then lifted it up like a

2787
02:01:15,670 --> 02:01:13,460
barge so you know we don't know here

2788
02:01:17,980 --> 02:01:15,680
again just like Roswell we don't know

2789
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:17,990
who build them when they were built or I

2790
02:01:21,730 --> 02:01:20,090
they were built one of the big stories

2791
02:01:24,220 --> 02:01:21,740
that we hear is that it was built for

2792
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:24,230
Khufu Pharaoh of the Fourth Dynasty the

2793
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:25,850
only thing they have ever found about

2794
02:01:30,820 --> 02:01:28,130
Khufu is a three-inch statue which is in

2795
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:30,830
the Cairo Museum that was located miles

2796
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:33,410
away from the pyramids horn so if this

2797
02:01:37,210 --> 02:01:35,450
was built for Khufu why it was there's

2798
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:37,220
nothing in there for the afterlife like

2799
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:39,170
it was for all the other pharaohs the

2800
02:01:43,660 --> 02:01:41,090
Arabs were the first to go into pyramids

2801
02:01:47,020 --> 02:01:43,670
in 890 AD and the only thing they found

2802
02:01:48,670 --> 02:01:47,030
was an empty coffin empty box they had

2803
02:01:51,010 --> 02:01:48,680
not done anything for the afterlife

2804
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:51,020
which would have to be there for the for

2805
02:01:55,930 --> 02:01:53,450
the Pharaoh as was custom for trainee

2806
02:01:57,310 --> 02:01:55,940
Pharaoh that was buried back in Egypt so

2807
02:01:58,930 --> 02:01:57,320
we had a lot of questions about the

2808
02:02:02,350 --> 02:01:58,940
pyramids too this leads me to a question

2809
02:02:04,030 --> 02:02:02,360
from Michael Allen who's a he's been one

2810
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:04,040
of our foreign posters for about a year

2811
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:05,810
and he quotes you from your web

2812
02:02:11,500 --> 02:02:08,690
dead Pharaohs don't need air so why were

2813
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:11,510
air shafts built-in and he proposed an

2814
02:02:15,670 --> 02:02:13,370
answer to that question that they eat

2815
02:02:17,500 --> 02:02:15,680
posed ok says I proposed the air shafts

2816
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:17,510
were probably put in for those living

2817
02:02:21,610 --> 02:02:19,040
breathing beings who were low in the

2818
02:02:23,410 --> 02:02:21,620
bodies into the depths would this be an

2819
02:02:24,940 --> 02:02:23,420
acceptable alternative explanation I

2820
02:02:27,730 --> 02:02:24,950
think you kind of were addressing that

2821
02:02:30,130 --> 02:02:27,740
well those air shafts align with certain

2822
02:02:32,530 --> 02:02:30,140
stars certain constellations perfectly

2823
02:02:35,620 --> 02:02:32,540
after the three pyramids who are in

2824
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:35,630
alignment the same as Orion's belt in

2825
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:37,520
the constellation of Orion the

2826
02:02:41,530 --> 02:02:39,920
engineering involved but the building of

2827
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:41,540
the pyramids is something that we can't

2828
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:43,970
duplicate today I mentioned earlier that

2829
02:02:48,250 --> 02:02:46,070
I was involved with building some pretty

2830
02:02:50,350 --> 02:02:48,260
big bridge structures for the sections

2831
02:02:53,470 --> 02:02:50,360
highway department the last job we have

2832
02:02:55,420 --> 02:02:53,480
is a 1200 foot span between columns and

2833
02:02:57,100 --> 02:02:55,430
we were off by 3 feet when we got to the

2834
02:02:59,080 --> 02:02:57,110
middle we cut a piece of steel dropped

2835
02:03:01,690 --> 02:02:59,090
it in and that was it the pyramids are

2836
02:03:04,420 --> 02:03:01,700
off a quarter inch on each side they had

2837
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:04,430
not sunk into the earth over two

2838
02:03:09,130 --> 02:03:06,410
thousand four thousand six thousand

2839
02:03:11,860 --> 02:03:09,140
years so there has to be some sub base

2840
02:03:14,170 --> 02:03:11,870
material there that is capable handling

2841
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:14,180
that way and what you see today was not

2842
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:15,650
the original pyramid because the

2843
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:17,090
original pyramids were covered with

2844
02:03:21,550 --> 02:03:19,610
polished limestone which and the Sun

2845
02:03:23,590 --> 02:03:21,560
reflected off them were visible from the

2846
02:03:25,390 --> 02:03:23,600
moon most of the researchers I've dealt

2847
02:03:28,420 --> 02:03:25,400
with believe that the pyramids were

2848
02:03:31,750 --> 02:03:28,430
billed as energy machines and not not to

2849
02:03:33,460 --> 02:03:31,760
be used as a affair of burial places I

2850
02:03:36,610 --> 02:03:33,470
have another question about your

2851
02:03:39,160 --> 02:03:36,620
interest in Egyptology from Xylo who's

2852
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:39,170
been it was a long time posting here at

2853
02:03:43,540 --> 02:03:42,350
forum dr. podcast.com regarding your

2854
02:03:46,660 --> 02:03:43,550
research into the pyramids in Egypt

2855
02:03:48,820 --> 02:03:46,670
ology and general dentists what does the

2856
02:03:50,710 --> 02:03:48,830
fall of the government of Egypt do to

2857
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:50,720
the research that is taking place now

2858
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:53,330
also with the resignation of Ohio wasps

2859
02:03:56,860 --> 02:03:55,310
will this allow research to continue in

2860
02:03:59,020 --> 02:03:56,870
the same vein that it has been

2861
02:04:01,480 --> 02:03:59,030
continuing or is there hope to further

2862
02:04:04,420 --> 02:04:01,490
research and explore new areas without

2863
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:04,430
worry of interference or I would add

2864
02:04:10,210 --> 02:04:06,890
towing me you know the conventional line

2865
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:10,220
that Hiawatha says has maintained all

2866
02:04:14,669 --> 02:04:12,110
through the decades that he's been

2867
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:14,679
involved there so so what is the state

2868
02:04:20,010 --> 02:04:17,050
of Egyptology now with the new Egyptian

2869
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:20,020
government and ayahuasca potentially

2870
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:24,250
busted for antiquities violations and

2871
02:04:27,540 --> 02:04:25,090
whatnot

2872
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:27,550
well the name house makes me sick to my

2873
02:04:32,250 --> 02:04:29,530
stomach for one thing you have to

2874
02:04:34,590 --> 02:04:32,260
understand that tourism is big business

2875
02:04:37,110 --> 02:04:34,600
in Egypt and for someone like me or

2876
02:04:39,870 --> 02:04:37,120
someone on our board to come out and say

2877
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:39,880
that the three pyramids of Egypt when

2878
02:04:44,220 --> 02:04:42,250
Giza probably were not Egyptian it's not

2879
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:44,230
going to sell well because of the

2880
02:04:48,899 --> 02:04:46,330
tourism Howe was just recently appointed

2881
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:48,909
himself to lifelong positions he's head

2882
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:52,239
of Antiquities and I will not watch a

2883
02:04:55,950 --> 02:04:54,370
show that has Hollis on it because I

2884
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,960
don't believe a word the guy says I

2885
02:05:01,439 --> 02:04:57,760
think he's undertake for the tourism

2886
02:05:04,050 --> 02:05:01,449
industry he has been on just nearly

2887
02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:04,060
every Egyptian documentary that's been

2888
02:05:08,580 --> 02:05:06,460
made but I think I understand that now

2889
02:05:11,419 --> 02:05:08,590
they are charging a tremendous amount to

2890
02:05:13,860 --> 02:05:11,429
be able to go in the pyramid I think you

2891
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:13,870
stinks has got a fence around it where

2892
02:05:16,380 --> 02:05:15,730
you can't get up real close to it

2893
02:05:18,780 --> 02:05:16,390
anymore

2894
02:05:21,180 --> 02:05:18,790
so the tourism industry is pretty much

2895
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,190
taking it over there was a time not too

2896
02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:23,679
long ago when we wanted to get into the

2897
02:05:27,689 --> 02:05:26,230
paw of the Sphinx because there's a void

2898
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:27,699
in there we know we did some

2899
02:05:31,919 --> 02:05:30,130
ground-penetrating radar and we found a

2900
02:05:33,479 --> 02:05:31,929
void inside there and we believe that

2901
02:05:36,419 --> 02:05:33,489
there may be information on how the

2902
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:36,429
permits were built or about Atlantis

2903
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:39,370
insight there and so far we've not been

2904
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:41,530
able to get access in there Hollis has

2905
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:45,040
done a lot to restrict good research as

2906
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:47,530
far as the pyramids and we were hoping

2907
02:05:51,780 --> 02:05:49,630
that he would retire and since he hasn't

2908
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:51,790
we we don't know what the future holds

2909
02:05:57,689 --> 02:05:54,090
as far as trying to get more information

2910
02:06:00,780 --> 02:05:57,699
okay just another Roswell question that

2911
02:06:02,220 --> 02:06:00,790
I missed about it being some

2912
02:06:05,000 --> 02:06:02,230
super-secret terrestrial technology

2913
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:05,010
that's being that was covered up

2914
02:06:11,010 --> 02:06:07,570
but kind of beating that horse a little

2915
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:11,020
bit we can't beat those horses

2916
02:06:15,780 --> 02:06:12,850
so let's look past you know the

2917
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:15,790
repetitive Roswell questions well my

2918
02:06:20,340 --> 02:06:18,010
questions about you know I've always

2919
02:06:22,430 --> 02:06:20,350
been fascinated obviously with the

2920
02:06:25,300 --> 02:06:22,440
pyramids and other megalithic structures

2921
02:06:28,330 --> 02:06:25,310
what are your theories

2922
02:06:32,830 --> 02:06:28,340
terms of could these structures actually

2923
02:06:34,890 --> 02:06:32,840
be proof in some way shape or form of

2924
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:34,900
some sort of intervention by

2925
02:06:40,750 --> 02:06:38,570
technological Outsiders for lack of a

2926
02:06:44,170 --> 02:06:40,760
better term I cringe at the

2927
02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:44,180
extra-terrestrial hypothesis so I tend

2928
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to try to couch everything in general

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know one of these blocks every 90

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the lintel what is that the I think

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there's a stone at Baalbek in Lebanon

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that's so large I forget how many it's

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we're we have yet to discover some sort

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say to levitate stones for instance it

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has you know been a prevailing theory or

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that et build the Great Pyramid ancient

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civilizations what about the Easter

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Island all that other stuff we have

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let's continue in that vein okay but if

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you look at the tools that the Egyptian

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said they were copper tools and there's

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in attempts to duplicate the building of

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the pyramids I know know but several

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years ago they tried to build a pyramid

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and use modern-day equipment and

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couldn't do it the Ukrainian researcher

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on our board Lattimer Russell dolvett's

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and I love it when I can say that he has

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done some work in the Ukraine former

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Russian area with the Russian

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engineering group and they had built

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some pyramids there and he has

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discovered that bacteria doesn't grow

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inside the pyramid and we've heard the

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story about razor blades staying sharp

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for a long time there's some form of

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energy produced by by pyramids in

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general and go far spent two nights on

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top of the Great Pyramid on two

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different occasions with some equipment

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and did some testing and he believes

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that a big bubble around the pyramid

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that coincides with the 11-year sunspot

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cycle he is convinced that it was built

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as an energy machine in some sort but

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one of the pyramids has got a flat top

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it was never finished and that's where

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he spent the whole night on two

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different locations doing doing his

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testing there's just so much mystery

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around the pyramids because there's no

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record that and the Egyptians were good

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at keeping records of nearly everything

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but we've not been able to find any

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information on how they were built who

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the who build them

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Perkis now the fact that they had these

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polished limestone coverings on them

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which were all taken off by the arabs

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and used to build mosques and temples

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and stuff like that there's only one

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pyramid that still has any and that's up

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near the top of it one of the second

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largest one so you know what you see

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today is not what was there originally

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we have to go back past the Egyptian

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civilization because of the equipment

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that they had and and the technology

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they were smart people there's no doubt

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about that but I don't believe that they

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were the ones that responsible for

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building those three now the other

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pyramids in Egypt or poor replicas and I

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think that the three of Giza stand out

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over those others and there's probably

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80 or 90 other pyramids in Egypt but I

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also think there's still a lot a

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tremendous amount of structures that are

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below the same that haven't been

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discovered yet well I think in the years

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to come I think there'll be more

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information coming out hopefully we'll

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finally hear or learn how they were

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built new building how would you do that

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if we had an advanced civilization here

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on earth ten thousand years ago whatever

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and for whatever reason that

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civilization vanished god I mean

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consider our civilization ten thousand

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years from now something happened and

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all went away right now maybe some

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global catastrophe would we have any

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evidence of anything not at the rate

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we're going but hearing and you can get

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into the extraterrestrials too if they

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can get here you know our technology has

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transpired over the last 150 hundred

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years particularly last thirty years and

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you know where are we going to be fifty

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or hundred years from now

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so if extraterrestrials were able to get

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here their knowledge is possibly

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thousands of years ahead of us so there

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wouldn't be any communication between

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the two of us because they're just too

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far advanced for us and I I don't know

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what we would lead really right now I

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don't know anything that really would be

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worth leaving well a lot of plaster

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we'll be be scattered around the

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environment that's for sure

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all those iPads and those iPhones that's

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aluminum well you know there's there are

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places on earth today in the jungles and

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stuff where people see an airplane they

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don't have any idea what it is the first

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time they ever saw an airplane if

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they're exposed to some of the modern

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technology we have they have no idea

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what it is so you know with Columbus

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have known what an iPod is or anything

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like that so I think some look at

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well isn't that part of the thing that

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we have trying to understand Roswell if

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we have the wreckage and we have

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evidence of an advanced civilization

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what portion of it would we understand I

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mean look at the movie independent state

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and there's this area 51 scene they

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recover this crashed spaceship back in

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the late 1940s and they can't figure out

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what it is after all these years of

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course you have the crazy scientists

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played by the same guy who played data

3193
02:18:15,640 --> 02:18:12,920
in Star Trek next generation but the

3194
02:18:17,560 --> 02:18:15,650
point there is a valid point which is

3195
02:18:20,230 --> 02:18:17,570
you can have this thing sitting there

3196
02:18:23,560 --> 02:18:20,240
all this evidence of the super advanced

3197
02:18:25,900 --> 02:18:23,570
technology how do you get past it well

3198
02:18:28,660 --> 02:18:25,910
that's what I said a while ago about you

3199
02:18:31,450 --> 02:18:28,670
know if if all we picked up those pieces

3200
02:18:33,581 --> 02:18:31,460
that were craft then trying to put that

3201
02:18:35,950 --> 02:18:33,591
together and make sense of it I don't

3202
02:18:38,140 --> 02:18:35,960
think they've done that yet pieces that

3203
02:18:40,780 --> 02:18:38,150
wouldn't we assume that most of the

3204
02:18:42,390 --> 02:18:40,790
craft whether together our part was

3205
02:18:45,220 --> 02:18:42,400
recovered or did some of it just

3206
02:18:48,310 --> 02:18:45,230
disintegrate what they claim they found

3207
02:18:51,310 --> 02:18:48,320
were pieces up to about 3 to 5 feet most

3208
02:18:53,560 --> 02:18:51,320
of the small pieces now a few months

3209
02:18:56,170 --> 02:18:53,570
later in 1948 there was a crash at a

3210
02:18:59,560 --> 02:18:56,180
spec and melting in Mexico with a ninety

3211
02:19:01,541 --> 02:18:59,570
nine foot craft pretty much intact 13

3212
02:19:03,610 --> 02:19:01,551
bodies well dude wait wait a minute

3213
02:19:07,690 --> 02:19:03,620
before you go on Dennis I mean where do

3214
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:07,700
you fall down on the Aztec crash there's

3215
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:10,610
quite a vocal group out there that

3216
02:19:14,710 --> 02:19:12,110
believes that the whole thing was was a

3217
02:19:16,750 --> 02:19:14,720
fabricated story and that there was no

3218
02:19:19,450 --> 02:19:16,760
crash at Aztec where do you fall down on

3219
02:19:21,581 --> 02:19:19,460
that well I was the same way for years

3220
02:19:23,839 --> 02:19:21,591
until I met Scott Ramsey and his wife

3221
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:23,849
Suzanne from North Carolina

3222
02:19:29,900 --> 02:19:27,210
and for the last 14 15 years he has been

3223
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:29,910
going to airforce archives and Alabama

3224
02:19:34,610 --> 02:19:32,250
and many other archives and he is

3225
02:19:36,169 --> 02:19:34,620
starting to put down what he has found

3226
02:19:37,970 --> 02:19:36,179
and he's got a book that will be out

3227
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:37,980
probably later this year or the next

3228
02:19:41,629 --> 02:19:39,840
year now I want to mention that before

3229
02:19:42,890 --> 02:19:41,639
we go on because we've had Scott Ramsey

3230
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:42,900
on the show a couple of times of course

3231
02:19:47,150 --> 02:19:44,610
your friend Frank Warren and we've

3232
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:47,160
talked about the Aztec thing and the

3233
02:19:51,020 --> 02:19:48,960
problem I have with it and a lot of

3234
02:19:53,570 --> 02:19:51,030
people have is that we hear about the

3235
02:19:55,220 --> 02:19:53,580
book but it's always vaporware as they

3236
02:19:57,020 --> 02:19:55,230
say in software it's promised but never

3237
02:19:58,520 --> 02:19:57,030
delivered is it gonna really happen this

3238
02:20:00,500 --> 02:19:58,530
time it's gonna happen

3239
02:20:02,420 --> 02:20:00,510
he just keeps saying I talked to him the

3240
02:20:04,940 --> 02:20:02,430
other day and he said he he had gone out

3241
02:20:07,880 --> 02:20:04,950
to California and talk to the Silas's

3242
02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:07,890
granddaughter or somebody and got some

3243
02:20:10,910 --> 02:20:09,450
more information said every time he's

3244
02:20:13,490 --> 02:20:10,920
ready to complete the book he's got

3245
02:20:16,490 --> 02:20:13,500
another chapter or another bunch of

3246
02:20:17,870 --> 02:20:16,500
information to put in it so I can't tell

3247
02:20:20,270 --> 02:20:17,880
you when he's gonna come out with it but

3248
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:20,280
I know he is and I'm looking forward to

3249
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:22,500
it every name I work with this Scott and

3250
02:20:27,740 --> 02:20:25,050
Suzanne for the last 10 15 years I guess

3251
02:20:30,740 --> 02:20:27,750
and and I was of the opinion that Aztec

3252
02:20:33,740 --> 02:20:30,750
was nothing and the more I talked to

3253
02:20:36,020 --> 02:20:33,750
Scott and other people I believe it did

3254
02:20:39,460 --> 02:20:36,030
happen and that the craft was taken

3255
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:39,470
properly to Colorado on the back roads

3256
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:42,570
where nobody knew about it so why are so

3257
02:20:48,020 --> 02:20:45,810
many people dismissive of this case well

3258
02:20:51,710 --> 02:20:48,030
because all the publicity it got for the

3259
02:20:54,261 --> 02:20:51,720
when it first was made public and the

3260
02:20:57,680 --> 02:20:54,271
fact that these guys were supposedly con

3261
02:20:59,720 --> 02:20:57,690
artists of some kind but again Scott

3262
02:21:02,780 --> 02:20:59,730
told me other day that he's pretty well

3263
02:21:04,340 --> 02:21:02,790
proven that that wasn't the case I can't

3264
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:04,350
give me any details other than what he's

3265
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:07,530
told me and emails are on the phone but

3266
02:21:12,170 --> 02:21:09,690
I'm looking forward to seeing the book

3267
02:21:14,261 --> 02:21:12,180
and seeing what he has to say well we

3268
02:21:17,150 --> 02:21:14,271
all are looking forward to it I've told

3269
02:21:18,860 --> 02:21:17,160
Scott a couple of times that we'll be

3270
02:21:21,740 --> 02:21:18,870
happy to have him back on the power cast

3271
02:21:24,140 --> 02:21:21,750
when the book about Astec comes out and

3272
02:21:27,400 --> 02:21:24,150
we want to also have him debate a

3273
02:21:31,761 --> 02:21:27,410
skeptic something like Kevin Randle

3274
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:31,771
mm-hmm a reasoned discussion pro and con

3275
02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:34,410
once the book is out give everyone a

3276
02:21:38,110 --> 02:21:36,830
chance to have their questions

3277
02:21:39,880 --> 02:21:38,120
I'm the power Cass will have our

3278
02:21:41,140 --> 02:21:39,890
listeners list the questions it will

3279
02:21:44,290 --> 02:21:41,150
look forward to seeing the book

3280
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:44,300
Scott Ramsey about Aztec supposedly

3281
02:21:51,460 --> 02:21:48,080
coming out late this year or early 2012

3282
02:21:52,990 --> 02:21:51,470
and maybe it's too late in 2012 we won't

3283
02:21:55,090 --> 02:21:53,000
be around to worry about it Willie

3284
02:21:56,530 --> 02:21:55,100
well you know he's got the he's under

3285
02:21:58,770 --> 02:21:56,540
the same impression I had miss

3286
02:22:02,590 --> 02:21:58,780
Forrester's research he's turning down

3287
02:22:04,780 --> 02:22:02,600
many many opportunities to speak Scott

3288
02:22:08,051 --> 02:22:04,790
and I were involved in fact helped get

3289
02:22:10,810 --> 02:22:08,061
the Aztecs Festival or conference going

3290
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:10,820
when it first started back in 97 98

3291
02:22:15,700 --> 02:22:13,730
somewhere back then and had builded up

3292
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:15,710
to to be a pretty good conference and

3293
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:17,210
had a bunch of good speakers come in

3294
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:18,800
every year who didn't have a whole lot

3295
02:22:24,580 --> 02:22:22,640
of them whoo's they sure do know hey

3296
02:22:26,801 --> 02:22:24,590
well we'll get into more of woo-woos and

3297
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not so will woo is that a phrase or is

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that a property sounds like a foreign

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language Jean not so Denis both AZ I'm

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Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

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3396
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3397
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ball phasor from one more time on the

3398
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power cast and we are taking a brief

3399
02:27:21,609 --> 02:27:17,539
excursion into Aztec territory its

3400
02:27:25,510 --> 02:27:21,619
controversial and people who even accept

3401
02:27:28,630 --> 02:27:25,520
Roswell don't necessarily accept Aztec

3402
02:27:31,659 --> 02:27:28,640
and maybe that's one of the final few

3403
02:27:34,290 --> 02:27:31,669
questions we'll go into Dennis why is it

3404
02:27:36,939 --> 02:27:34,300
then that Aztec tends to be more

3405
02:27:39,609 --> 02:27:36,949
dismissed well it hasn't let the

3406
02:27:42,819 --> 02:27:39,619
publicity for one thing that the Gospels

3407
02:27:45,309 --> 02:27:42,829
had for many years he haven't had the

3408
02:27:47,099 --> 02:27:45,319
type researchers involved I think like

3409
02:27:49,779 --> 02:27:47,109
both Stanton was the first original

3410
02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:49,789
civilian researcher for Roswell and

3411
02:27:54,909 --> 02:27:52,399
Schmidt and Kerry and David rudy AK

3412
02:27:57,580 --> 02:27:54,919
myself we've had a lot of a lot of

3413
02:28:00,340 --> 02:27:57,590
serious researchers working Roswell

3414
02:28:02,979 --> 02:28:00,350
where as with a speck I think Scott

3415
02:28:04,750 --> 02:28:02,989
properly is going to be I believe Scott

3416
02:28:06,550 --> 02:28:04,760
will be the authority on that speck I

3417
02:28:09,699 --> 02:28:06,560
really do I think he has enough

3418
02:28:12,279 --> 02:28:09,709
information that he'll present that it's

3419
02:28:13,719 --> 02:28:12,289
going to give it a lot of validity and I

3420
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:13,729
think it's going to make people look at

3421
02:28:17,950 --> 02:28:14,570
it twice

3422
02:28:20,830 --> 02:28:17,960
speaking of northern New Mexico where do

3423
02:28:24,700 --> 02:28:20,840
you come down in terms of Dulce I mean

3424
02:28:27,480 --> 02:28:24,710
that's I think you were up there at the

3425
02:28:30,280 --> 02:28:27,490
editorial Hayakawa's an inaugural

3426
02:28:32,730 --> 02:28:30,290
conference if I remember correctly and

3427
02:28:35,980 --> 02:28:32,740
there was quite a collection of

3428
02:28:37,630 --> 02:28:35,990
researchers that presented there and we

3429
02:28:40,420 --> 02:28:37,640
both networked with quite a number of

3430
02:28:42,580 --> 02:28:40,430
people including some local Hickory

3431
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:42,590
Apache where do you come down on the

3432
02:28:45,670 --> 02:28:44,240
whole Dulce scenario because of course

3433
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:45,680
it all stays just right down the road

3434
02:28:51,370 --> 02:28:48,170
from a stack I really don't know about

3435
02:28:54,190 --> 02:28:51,380
Dulce I I've heard the stories for years

3436
02:28:56,890 --> 02:28:54,200
and when we had that meeting that

3437
02:28:59,560 --> 02:28:56,900
conference they all stayed at the

3438
02:29:02,620 --> 02:28:59,570
Hickory Apache BEST WESTERN they only

3439
02:29:04,511 --> 02:29:02,630
hotel in town and there's a lot of money

3440
02:29:08,140 --> 02:29:04,521
been spent in that little town of little

3441
02:29:10,511 --> 02:29:08,150
C for the Hickory Apache reservation is

3442
02:29:13,390 --> 02:29:10,521
headquartered there and they had some

3443
02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:13,400
very modernistic schools and buildings

3444
02:29:18,250 --> 02:29:15,650
and things like that and then had this

3445
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Best Western hotel with a casino in it

3446
02:29:23,230 --> 02:29:20,271
out in the middle of nowhere when we had

3447
02:29:26,530 --> 02:29:23,240
the conference we had norio expected

3448
02:29:29,380 --> 02:29:26,540
2030 people and we had 130 show up and

3449
02:29:31,330 --> 02:29:29,390
we had to move it twice begin in the

3450
02:29:34,450 --> 02:29:31,340
facilities at the fire people would let

3451
02:29:36,520 --> 02:29:34,460
us use I got the impression from the the

3452
02:29:38,830 --> 02:29:36,530
Native Americans that if they see

3453
02:29:40,300 --> 02:29:38,840
something they pretty much keep it to

3454
02:29:41,950 --> 02:29:40,310
themselves because they think it's

3455
02:29:44,170 --> 02:29:41,960
personal they say if they see something

3456
02:29:46,060 --> 02:29:44,180
in the sky they think that's just for

3457
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:46,070
them and they don't share a whole lot

3458
02:29:51,011 --> 02:29:48,080
although someone that were at the

3459
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,021
conference did and talked about crafts

3460
02:29:54,610 --> 02:29:53,120
they had seen and things like that but

3461
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:54,620
one of the interesting things that

3462
02:29:58,210 --> 02:29:56,000
happened was the morning of the

3463
02:30:00,100 --> 02:29:58,220
conference on the Sunday he was supposed

3464
02:30:02,530 --> 02:30:00,110
to start at 10 o'clock and about 8

3465
02:30:05,050 --> 02:30:02,540
o'clock we heard on something boom boom

3466
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:05,060
boom yeah and there was a black unmarked

3467
02:30:09,340 --> 02:30:07,250
helicopter hovering over the hotel I

3468
02:30:10,960 --> 02:30:09,350
think he was probably looking at license

3469
02:30:13,540 --> 02:30:10,970
plates of the vehicles in the parking

3470
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:13,550
lot but the Hickory Apache were very

3471
02:30:17,530 --> 02:30:15,650
upset because they had no idea where the

3472
02:30:20,380 --> 02:30:17,540
helicopter came from or what his purpose

3473
02:30:22,870 --> 02:30:20,390
was they do have one come in to medicals

3474
02:30:25,660 --> 02:30:22,880
once in a while but nothing like that so

3475
02:30:28,420 --> 02:30:25,670
that got everybody's attention I talked

3476
02:30:30,460 --> 02:30:28,430
to one guy who said that it's real

3477
02:30:33,460 --> 02:30:30,470
is not on the Archuleta Mesa everybody

3478
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:33,470
thinks it's somewhere else close by and

3479
02:30:37,240 --> 02:30:34,850
of course they've had a lot of cattle

3480
02:30:39,460 --> 02:30:37,250
mutilations was Christmas about up there

3481
02:30:41,349 --> 02:30:39,470
in that area and one of the ranchers in

3482
02:30:44,290 --> 02:30:41,359
fact have had to quit raising cattle

3483
02:30:47,889 --> 02:30:44,300
because of the mutilations in years did

3484
02:30:49,960 --> 02:30:47,899
a good presentation Manuel Gomez he he

3485
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:49,970
was the first real major presenter at

3486
02:30:55,929 --> 02:30:52,399
the conference I was actually impressed

3487
02:30:59,380 --> 02:30:55,939
with his documentation his command of

3488
02:31:01,420 --> 02:30:59,390
the case which goes back to the late 70s

3489
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:01,430
and there's definitely something going

3490
02:31:09,130 --> 02:31:04,810
on there and the the revelation that

3491
02:31:11,019 --> 02:31:09,140
Archuleta Mesa has I think is you could

3492
02:31:11,559 --> 02:31:11,029
almost consider it potentially as a red

3493
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:11,569
herring

3494
02:31:17,800 --> 02:31:14,479
as you mentioned there was some talk

3495
02:31:22,059 --> 02:31:17,810
about a facility being located 18 miles

3496
02:31:24,250 --> 02:31:22,069
west of em of Dulce in the direction of

3497
02:31:26,620 --> 02:31:24,260
Aztec kind of halfway between Dulce and

3498
02:31:29,500 --> 02:31:26,630
Aztec and I don't know anybody that's

3499
02:31:33,580 --> 02:31:29,510
really pardon the expression dug into

3500
02:31:35,650 --> 02:31:33,590
that particular assertion but so do you

3501
02:31:38,290 --> 02:31:35,660
feel that there is some sort of facility

3502
02:31:42,059 --> 02:31:38,300
there irregardless of whether it's you

3503
02:31:44,679 --> 02:31:42,069
know alien or maybe a joint alien human

3504
02:31:46,330 --> 02:31:44,689
facility do you have a sense that there

3505
02:31:48,490 --> 02:31:46,340
is some sort of underground facility

3506
02:31:50,590 --> 02:31:48,500
there I think there there is somewhere

3507
02:31:52,510 --> 02:31:50,600
and I think Dulce maybe the diversionary

3508
02:31:54,820 --> 02:31:52,520
site for it I don't know if you've been

3509
02:31:57,400 --> 02:31:54,830
on them on the Mesa or not Chris but

3510
02:31:59,320 --> 02:31:57,410
Scott but getting back to Scott Ramsey

3511
02:32:01,540 --> 02:31:59,330
has been up there several times and he

3512
02:32:04,719 --> 02:32:01,550
said that there is a place up there

3513
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:04,729
which has got a doorway of some kind of

3514
02:32:10,030 --> 02:32:07,850
Ben Gunn I did or concreted over and

3515
02:32:11,679 --> 02:32:10,040
there are there's some equipment up

3516
02:32:14,830 --> 02:32:11,689
there that he says is from an old mine

3517
02:32:17,019 --> 02:32:14,840
which with my knowledge of underground

3518
02:32:19,599 --> 02:32:17,029
bases that would be an ideal location to

3519
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:19,609
start a underground facility because

3520
02:32:23,290 --> 02:32:21,170
they wouldn't have to do all the

3521
02:32:26,139 --> 02:32:23,300
drilling and already have access to a

3522
02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:26,149
void in the earth so I I think maybe

3523
02:32:30,670 --> 02:32:27,890
there's something to it Phil Schneider's

3524
02:32:32,590 --> 02:32:30,680
story is of interest to me but many have

3525
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:32,600
tried to disprove that and I don't know

3526
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:34,250
if there's any validity to the

3527
02:32:37,330 --> 02:32:36,080
Schneider's story about the firefight

3528
02:32:39,460 --> 02:32:37,340
and things like that

3529
02:32:41,880 --> 02:32:39,470
New Mexico is it's just full of stuff

3530
02:32:45,689 --> 02:32:41,890
that people don't know anything about

3531
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:45,699
los alamos same Violette white Saenz the

3532
02:32:51,469 --> 02:32:48,399
atomic bombs tested here how much of

3533
02:32:54,030 --> 02:32:51,479
that do you think is related however to

3534
02:32:57,929 --> 02:32:54,040
situations of test weapons and test

3535
02:33:00,360 --> 02:32:57,939
equipment test aircraft I think most of

3536
02:33:02,790 --> 02:33:00,370
the aircraft testing is probably up at

3537
02:33:05,189 --> 02:33:02,800
area 51 rather than the white sands or

3538
02:33:08,460 --> 02:33:05,199
or any of the places here in town I here

3539
02:33:09,510 --> 02:33:08,470
in New Mexico but for Los Alamos we

3540
02:33:11,820 --> 02:33:09,520
don't know what goes on Oh

3541
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:11,830
Hall out there one of the things I found

3542
02:33:16,439 --> 02:33:13,930
on the underground baseless research

3543
02:33:18,540 --> 02:33:16,449
that really shocked me was at FEMA the

3544
02:33:20,309 --> 02:33:18,550
Federal Emergency Management Agency is

3545
02:33:23,939 --> 02:33:20,319
heavily involved in underground

3546
02:33:27,479 --> 02:33:23,949
facilities they started this back years

3547
02:33:29,070 --> 02:33:27,489
ago as a continuty of government for the

3548
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:29,080
President and the Congress and things

3549
02:33:34,130 --> 02:33:32,170
like that there's a location in

3550
02:33:36,689 --> 02:33:34,140
Ravenloft Pennsylvania that has a

3551
02:33:40,679 --> 02:33:36,699
complete underground Pentagon for all

3552
02:33:42,990 --> 02:33:40,689
the military bigwigs the White House as

3553
02:33:46,349 --> 02:33:43,000
a facility underneath it Burt Cheney

3554
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:46,359
went during the 9/11 terrorist attack

3555
02:33:53,309 --> 02:33:50,890
Bush went to Nebraska he was down south

3556
02:33:55,490 --> 02:33:53,319
and got on Air Force One and went to

3557
02:33:59,490 --> 02:33:55,500
Nebraska went underground

3558
02:34:01,889 --> 02:33:59,500
Raven raucous and military Greenbrier

3559
02:34:03,660 --> 02:34:01,899
used to be for the Congress that's been

3560
02:34:06,990 --> 02:34:03,670
exposed and now they have a new place

3561
02:34:08,550 --> 02:34:07,000
somewhere I haven't found you so there's

3562
02:34:10,769 --> 02:34:08,560
a lot going on but underground

3563
02:34:13,710 --> 02:34:10,779
facilities and it's become necessary

3564
02:34:15,750 --> 02:34:13,720
because of satellites and you can't do

3565
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:15,760
anything above ground anymore because it

3566
02:34:22,380 --> 02:34:17,770
can be the newspaper from 200 miles up

3567
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:22,390
and I think anything that secretive is

3568
02:34:26,429 --> 02:34:24,250
going to either be done inside a hangar

3569
02:34:29,189 --> 02:34:26,439
or a building or either underground thus

3570
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:29,199
the reason for places like area 51

3571
02:34:34,439 --> 02:34:32,290
having 22 levels below ground one of the

3572
02:34:37,500 --> 02:34:34,449
basis in California forty some levels

3573
02:34:39,330 --> 02:34:37,510
below ground White Sands I know has four

3574
02:34:41,599 --> 02:34:39,340
levels it did laser testing on the

3575
02:34:44,099 --> 02:34:41,609
fourth level they may have seven levels

3576
02:34:46,740 --> 02:34:44,109
Dulce they were talking about seven or

3577
02:34:48,540 --> 02:34:46,750
nine levels below ground there so it's

3578
02:34:51,000 --> 02:34:48,550
become fairly common and most countries

3579
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:51,010
are following suit they're doing the

3580
02:34:55,290 --> 02:34:52,720
same thing going underground with all

3581
02:34:57,230 --> 02:34:55,300
the facilities self

3582
02:35:01,170 --> 02:34:57,240
they're always legitimate reasons why

3583
02:35:03,090 --> 02:35:01,180
you might have secret bases because of

3584
02:35:04,860 --> 02:35:03,100
security national security and all that

3585
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:04,870
but it could also be used as an excuse

3586
02:35:10,559 --> 02:35:08,080
to cover up other stuff that isn't so

3587
02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:10,569
simple to explain tell our listeners in

3588
02:35:14,790 --> 02:35:12,970
the last minute or so here Dennis ball

3589
02:35:17,580 --> 02:35:14,800
phaser where our listeners can learn

3590
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:17,590
more about the things that you do my

3591
02:35:22,349 --> 02:35:20,170
website truth seeker at Roswell that's

3592
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:22,359
all one word truth seeker at Roswell

3593
02:35:28,410 --> 02:35:25,210
comm and my email address was on there

3594
02:35:30,690 --> 02:35:28,420
and I usually try to I get 50 to 100

3595
02:35:33,540 --> 02:35:30,700
emails a day and delete most of them but

3596
02:35:35,910 --> 02:35:33,550
I do try to respond quickly to all the

3597
02:35:38,270 --> 02:35:35,920
emails I get he responds by the way to

3598
02:35:43,679 --> 02:35:38,280
lots of emails mine he always deletes

3599
02:35:45,870 --> 02:35:43,689
Chris's he answers you know they look at

3600
02:35:50,400 --> 02:35:45,880
my name they think the name is Steinberg

3601
02:35:53,790 --> 02:35:50,410
is a synonym for spam and the only spam

3602
02:35:57,900 --> 02:35:53,800
I know about is that strange meat that

3603
02:36:00,450 --> 02:35:57,910
lunch meat from Hormel which was

3604
02:36:03,420 --> 02:36:00,460
actually devised from evidence from

3605
02:36:05,160 --> 02:36:03,430
Roswell we got our recipe for spam Chris

3606
02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:05,170
O'Brien where do we find more of your

3607
02:36:11,160 --> 02:36:08,680
recipes well I'm a moderator at forum

3608
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:11,170
dr. Peric ascom you'll always find me

3609
02:36:16,559 --> 02:36:12,850
lurking about and occasionally I might

3610
02:36:18,660 --> 02:36:16,569
even chime in with some rude comment but

3611
02:36:20,429 --> 02:36:18,670
I do have a website our strange planet

3612
02:36:21,929 --> 02:36:20,439
calm and I want to thank Dennis for

3613
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:21,939
being on the show Dennis you're a real

3614
02:36:26,219 --> 02:36:24,130
trooper it's always a pleasure when we

3615
02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:26,229
run in to each other and compare notes

3616
02:36:31,020 --> 02:36:28,960
and hey I think you still have something

3617
02:36:33,450 --> 02:36:31,030
to offer the field I think you should

3618
02:36:35,580 --> 02:36:33,460
think twice about you know it's kind of

3619
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:35,590
retiring from the field and I'm glad to

3620
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:38,170
hear that you're out and about and doing

3621
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:41,680
just your keynote speaker and master

3622
02:36:46,830 --> 02:36:44,290
Assembly's job she did a great job at

3623
02:36:49,170 --> 02:36:46,840
Angel Fire and you know I applaud your

3624
02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:49,180
your many years and in all your efforts

3625
02:36:53,250 --> 02:36:51,280
well thank you I appreciate that and

3626
02:36:55,320 --> 02:36:53,260
guys you had one of the best things and

3627
02:36:57,480 --> 02:36:55,330
on the internet and and radio and I

3628
02:37:08,880 --> 02:36:57,490
really appreciate you you're in debt

3629
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:12,400
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3630
02:37:18,270 --> 02:37:15,290
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3631
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:18,280
presentation of making the impossible